Assimilation. How Does That Work?

By : MarcHolt
Views : 473

Stickman (Assimilation? What's That?) wrote in his newsletter on August 12 about a couple of westerners he knew who had assimilated into Thai society. He said that they seemed to be very happy and that he envied them. He also mentioned that even after living here many years he didn’t have any close Thai friends.

I’d like to tell you about my experiences with Thais and Thai society. After living here 26 years and now well into my second marriage to a Thai woman you would think that I would be assimilated. But the truth is I remain exactly what I was when I first arrived; a farung. I always will be.

I’ve known men who came here and assimilated, and they seemed to do it very well. But I always felt uncomfortable around them. One turned out to be a super con-man. He ended up going back to Australia after bilking a bunch of high-ranking and wealthy Thais out of more than 350 million Baht. He died soon after. His Thai wife is still in Australia, and she can never return to Thailand without risking almost instant death.

That’s not exactly the kind of incentive to push you to integrate and assimilate.

Of course, the con-man caused his own problems. But what used to nauseate me was the way he put on those very Thai airs that make any red-blooded man cringe. It’s difficult for a Westerner to accept the obsequious kow-towing to anyone of perceived ‘higher status’ than himself, i.e. someone with more money. The way his wife looked down her nose at my wife and I because we didn’t hob-nob with royalty was unacceptable to me. It didn’t matter that both of them were involved in criminal activities devoted to fleecing the very people they professed to ‘respect’ so much. Even though I didn’t know it at the time, when I did find out it didn’t surprise me. They both always seemed to be so insincere.

My first wife was a lovely lady. But she too had a blind side I found difficult to deal with. She would lie with a beautiful smile on her face to anyone she felt she could fleece out of their money. What really used to annoy me was the way she would sneer about them to me after they had left. Doing business with her as my partner become intolerable. In the end it was one of the many factors that decided me to divorce her.

She was a terrible snob, always asking me when we would make enough money so that she could become a khunying. Every time she did I thought to myself that we would never have enough, as I kept whatever I could out of her grasping hands. I was not going to start doing all the bowing and scraping the hi-so Thais are expected to go through so that they can gain their tin medals and honors. That’s just not my style. Yet, I know a few Westerners who have done that and done it very successfully. To each his own.

My ex-wife looked down on anyone she thought was not of equal or higher status than her. Which was funny, because she was the daughter of a very rich Chinese Bangkok businessman’s mia noi (minor wife). I never met her mother because her daughter was ashamed of her. Her half brothers and sisters tolerated her. Perhaps they even loved her in their own way; she was family after all. But they never gave her the same status they had, and by extension the same applied to me. The only reason she was able to marry me was because her father had died a couple of years before I met her. She didn’t have to answer to anyone.

Even after we were married and I sat down to dinner with her family, I always got the feeling that we were only tolerated, but never truly accepted. Perhaps that was just my perception colored by her attitude, but even if that was true I never really felt like I was a part of her family.

Contrast that to my current wife, an Esarn girl. Her family are very poor, but they have all taken me into their hearts and made me feel welcome. They drop by our house whenever they are passing through town. They are always welcome. I am not close to any of them, but our relationship is friendly and very easy going. There are no tensions, and no demands for money or for help to boost them up the social ladder. They are simple folk and I like that about them.

My first wife would still look down on this wife if they ever met. They never will, despite some big hints from the first one whenever we talk (very rarely) on the phone. They come from very different social strata, but even worse, this wife comes from a poor family with absolutely no status. But I know who I prefer to be with these days.

I met my first wife through a Chinese Thai friend I had met when I started dining at his small restaurant on Suriwong Road soon after I arrived in Thailand. He took a liking to me. I don’t really know why. We had nothing in common, but he took me under his wing and started taking me out to restaurants, and going to night clubs. One night he set up a blind date for me with my future wife, and that is how we met. However, after I married her and we moved out to Lard Prao I lost touch with my friend. He was busy building up his business, and I was too.

He was one of the few Thai men I ever made friends with. Even though his English was good, we never got past being just casual friends. We never confided in each other, and to us westerners that is the mark of a true friend, isn’t it?

Through the years I have befriended a few other Thai men. I could never call any of them close friends. They all befriended me because they thought they could gain something from the relationship; a business advantage, the opportunity to practice their English, or perhaps a boost up the social ladder. We would eat out at restaurants where they could see and be seen. Through me they would meet people that could be helpful to their careers or social lives. But not one of them ever made the effort to become a true friend.

Not all of them were like that of course. I did meet a couple of Thai businessmen who took a liking to me and helped me along in my business. But that was always where our relationship stayed. We were never close friends. Of course, they always gained something out of helping me as well. It seems there is always a quid pro quo in a friendship with a Thai man. Or am I just being cynical?

In the early years I led a very isolated and lonely existence here. I was just starting out and most of the western businessmen I knew were already well established and wealthy. I was a newcomer with very little money and a small business. Even so, I preferred their company whenever I could afford it to the Thai men I met. We shared the same culture, the same values, and the same tastes.

I never really knew what my so-called Thai friends were thinking. With my western acquaintances there was none of that worry. Provided we paid the bar tab and kept the conversation genial we all got along well. Some of those early acquaintances became friends over the years. These friendships took time to nurture and develop.

Whereas a Thai will meet you once and from then on claim to be your best friend. I always found this off-putting. I found their loud protestations of friendship difficult to accept. Friends don’t act that way. But Thai men seem to think that saying something will make it so. That doesn’t work for me, I’m afraid. I never let them get too close, because I could not see any way to be close to them. We had almost nothing in common. And this has always been one of the most difficult things to endure about living here.

However, even choosing western friends has always been fraught with difficulty in Thailand. Over the years I’ve met lots of men from different countries all over the world. Some of them I wouldn’t give the time of day to back home, so I certainly wouldn’t here. Others were con-men. Yet others were druggies and other undesirables. A few have become friends, and a very few have become very good friends. You have to choose your friends carefully in Thailand. It doesn’t matter whether they are Westerners or Asians.

Since getting married and having children with my current wife I find myself staying home most of the time and enjoying my family. But now and again I have to get out of the house and go for a drink with a few good friends. I am lucky that I have them. It’s been a long road finding them. But not one of them is a Thai.

 

© Marc Holt. All rights reserved by the author.


Like this story? Share it with others: Stumble It! Add to Yahoo! My Web Bookmark to Del.icio.us Bookmark to Furl Spurl This! Add to Reddit Bookmark to Newsvine


Related Articles

» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 1
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 2
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 3
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 4
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 5
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 6
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 7
» Another Wife Anyone?
» What's Wrong with Eating Dog Meat?
» Shootout at Mom Tri’s Boathouse
» Overland to Thailand
» Show Them Who is Boss
» Fighting Fire With Fire
» Thai Traffic Cops
» The Feminist Ideal in Thailand
» The Cartoon Teacher
» The Third Sex
» More Internet Urban Legends
» Women Drivers in Thailand
» Blame Our Confusion On Quantum Physics
» Thoughts On The Thailand Land Laws Edict
» Marry a Thai Bar Girl?
» Australia's Secret Vietman War Warriors?
» Inside the Boiler Room
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin's Adventures in Thailand 8
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 9
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 10
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 11
» That Cruel Cut
» Spam, Internet Fraud, Hoaxes, and Viruses
» Football Anyone?
» In the Wilds of Esarn
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 12
» Another Shot in the Foot?
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 14
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 13
» Young or Old Woman? Which is Better?
» Hot, Wet, Bald Pussy, An Apple a Day, and the Freebie
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 15
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 16
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 17
» Duped Dads
» Female Sex Tourism
» How a World Traveler Came to Thailand
» Planning to Get Married in Thailand?
» Should I Stay, or Should I Go?
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 18
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 1
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 2
» The Expat’s Thailand Survival Guide – Chapter 1
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 20
» The Chronicles of Foster Foskin’s Adventures in Thailand 19
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 3
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 4
» The Expat’s Thailand Survival Guide – Chapter 2
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 5
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 6
» Bringing up kids in Thailand
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 7
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 8
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 9
» Foster Foskin’s Agony Column 10

Rating

Teen



Comments / Feedback

Dana
August 25, 2007, 21:31

I do not like (respect) Thais, Thai culture, or Thailand. Years ago when I said something like that my email box would fill up with politically correct Westerners telling me what a monster I was. Now I am lucky to get one email telling me what an insensitive Westerner I am. What has changed? In the meantime millions of Westerners have visited Thailand so the genie is truely out of the bottle. No one believes the postcards anymore. Part of what we are is what we experience and millions of men have experienced negative social interactions in Thailand with Thailand.

To be charitable to the Thais (and my fingers nearly broke typing the word charitable) it is called tribalism. All societies defend territory and make choices about who will be a part of the tribe. Some individuals are encouraged to be a part of the tribe and some are discouraged. With a Western face no Thai is going to accept you or invite to join the tribe. It can never be any other way. And since you are not a member of the tribe you suffer an instant diminuation in humanness so cheating you is not a moral issue. Tribalism.

I have zero respect for Westerners who have assimilated in Thailand. I am not against the idea of assimilation. But Thailand is the wrong tribe.
KoolKing
August 26, 2007, 02:38

Most westerners cannot assimilate into the Thai culture and why would they want to? You are only good to a Thai as long as the exchange taking place is in their favor, they have no real concept of loyalty when it becomes clear that the giver no longer has anything to give or just chooses not to give anymore. I remember a friend of my ex-wife (notice the ex please), she, a Thai of course, was married to a likeable enough USAer. He had some medical problems, this was in the States, and had to wear a neck brace and walk with a cane. After that happened, she wouldn't be caught dead with him in public. Don't you just love it when you can speak at least some of the lingo and you discover they are bad-mouthing you right in front of you. For the most part, I would steer clear of them. Sure, go there, get laid, eat some good food, but don't attempt to become something lesser than you are. It goes right to the top too, Thais in the USA can buy property, get a job, will be treated with respect and dignity, not so with falangs in Thailand though.
Union Hill
August 26, 2007, 10:54

It is true that some Westerners try very hard to assimilate for their own reasons and motives. It is futile. If successful they are usually despised by the Thais and the Farangs. There are exceptions. There's a Scandinavian who along with his wife sings Thai songs for a living. He is frequently seen on TV (forgot his name now) but he has captured the whole thing, sound, poofdah facial expressions and Thai dance movements. Because of his blond caucasian looks he comes across as riduculous to a Westerner (well he does to me anyway) but the Thais love it.
Mo
August 26, 2007, 11:15

That would be Jonas Andersson, who I consider to be a complete and utter dickhead. Can't stand the guy.

I would tend to agree with the article. I have been here roughly 10 years, married to a Thai lady (poor background) and my experiences are similar to Marc's. I too have no Thai friends, had one when I first came here, but we kinda drifted apart after he left the company we worked for at the time.
And like Marc I am fully accepted into my wife's family. I am as much the target of jokes as any other member of the family. There is still the status thing though. None will ever refer to me using 'Mung', even though that is how everybody else is addressed. I am also always offered the best place to sit, get the best glass / best food, etc.
I think it is very difficult for Thais - especially those from the lower strata - to ignore class hierarchies. It is just too ingrained in them to respect their 'betters' (God, I hate that).

Assimilation? I'm as assimilated as I want to be. Although I wouldn't mind being able to read better.
Er
August 26, 2007, 20:59

Reminds me of my Swiss friend who wanted to get on with his gf's family and decided the best way to do it was to drink rice-whisky with them all day long. I did point out that upcountry Thais would happily drink the whisky with him but it would not make any difference to his unfortunate (to them) lack of Thainess. He eventually ended up in hospital as he was having visions and introducing people to his friends who actually didn't exist! The village thought this hilarious but if he hadn't stopped drinking he would have been dead a week later. After getting cleaned out in hospital he realised the village was a bit of a hellhole and couldn't understand how he managed to stay there for half a year!
materialsman
August 27, 2007, 09:20

Just last week my 'mia noi' signed a contract for a shophouse, using my money of course, for 8,000 baht per month, 4 months in advance, but when the actual contract was shown the sum was 7,000 baht per month, and she actually returned to me the 4,000 baht excess, I nearly choked on my beer, in sixteen years here that's the first time a Thai lady has ever handed me back any money! I agree with so many points here, we are here to be fleeced until there is nothing left, then we are cast aside like a used condom, but it's a hell of an emotional roller coaster ride and way better than being back living in political correctness.
Marc Holt
August 27, 2007, 11:16

One thing I didn't touch on was the Face concept. This is usually where relations between farung and thai 'friends' fall down. I've lost a few thai friends over the years because they felt I had made them lose face. Having a thai friend is like walking through a minefield. You always have to be aware of THEIR social requirements...never ours. I guess that's fair enough since we are living in their country. But it really is too much trouble to bother with. The longer I stay here the less inclined I am to try.

The best way to get along here is to keep your head down, never deal with the cops, and stay with your own kind.

There are ways to use the system, however. I have the name card of a very high ranking policeman. Whenever I'm stopped by the traffic cops these days I just whip out the card and I'm immediately given all the respect due my friend. It's wonderful to see the look on the poor cops faces when they look at the card. One bloke's eyes bugged out of his head. He couldn't wave me on fast enough!
henrik2000
August 27, 2007, 12:35

Another nice piece - and where one would also like to read a little more detail.

I never like to deal with people who are very class-conscious, neither the snobby nor the deferential ones. That's more difficult in Thailand than in the West, sure.

As you mention the term, one thing i would like to know clearly is the definition of a "khunying". I know it means sth like "hi-so lady", for example the newspapers always call the wives of senators "khunying". But is there something certain that makes a lady a "khunying" or is it more sth you "feel"? Is there a similar term for men?
Marc Holt
August 27, 2007, 16:09

A Khunying is a royally endowed title, similar to a British Dame. However as I understand it, to become a Khunying all you need to do is donate enough money to royal projects. The British Dames are usually promoted after performing outstanding social deeds. I'm not 100% sure about this, so if anyone else can enlighten us please do.
henrik2000
August 28, 2007, 00:35

Marc, thanks!
Peter4
August 31, 2007, 01:59



> Contrast that to my current wife, an Esarn girl. Her family are very
> poor, but they have all taken me into their hearts and made me feel
> welcome.

...I observe exactly this over and over again.
The poor Esarn girl offers the most value as a wife, girl friend, etc.
Makes me wonder why some men are so keen to hunt the snobbish Thai-Chinese.


> Through the years I have befriended a few other Thai men. I could
> never call any of them close friends. They all befriended me because
> they thought they could gain something from the relationship; a
> business advantage, the opportunity to practice their English, or
> perhaps a boost up the social ladder.

Exactly!
Once again, that is what I have observed in every case.
No exceptions, yet.

And similar for Thai men among themselves.
From everything I can gather from listening when Thai men talk
about their friends, they operate in the same way with each other.



> Whereas a Thai will meet you once and from then on claim to be your
> best friend. ... Thai men seem to think that saying something will make
> it so.

That fits perfectly with the Thai premise that words trump actions;
image trumps reality.



> [N]ow and again I have to get out of the house and go for a drink
> with a few good friends. I am lucky that I have them. It’s been a
> long road finding them. But not one of them is a Thai.

That's been a big surprise to me, too: the difficulty of finding
good, reliable, compatible friends here.
When I arrived, I thought it would be easy to find other men of like-mind, who had the courage, and had taken the risk to live in Asia.
Not that easy, not by a long shot.
Gradually, over a few years, met a few.
But not one of them is a Thai.


Thank you, Mark, for writing in such clear terms.
I hope you will write more along these lines.

-- Peter4

RSS 2.0: Syndicate this article

Add Comment
* Name


Site



*Image Validation (?)


*Comments / Feedback





Print Article Print Article
Send to a friend Send to a friend
Save as PDF Save as PDF
Rate this Article :

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10
Poor Excellent