Thai Traffic Cops

By : MarcHolt
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Foreign drivers in Thailand often complain about their treatment at the hands of the traffic police. I can’t honestly say I have ever had any real problems with them. The first thing I noticed when I was pulled over by a Thai traffic cop was how polite he was. Every cop since then, even if he can’t speak English, has also been unfailingly polite. Now, in case you ask, I am just an average Joe. I don’t drive a Merc or a Beemer. I have always driven average cars. So, it’s not my appearance that influences the police. It could be my approach to them though.

My first Thai wife had a lot of Chinese in her ancestry, so she didn’t look like your typical farung wife. We drove out the back of the Bank of Ayudhaya on the corner of Wireless and Ploenchit roads one day. The traffic was banked up as usual, so I waited until the lights turned green to cross over Ploenchit road. As usual, the selfish, rude Thai drivers would not let me into the lane allowed to go straight over Ploenchit. Instead, I was forced to stay in the left turn only lane. After I crossed Ploenchit I was pulled over by an older looking sergeant. He spoke almost no English, so the conversation went like this.

“You left turn.”

Now, I knew that if I tried out my brand of Thai on him were going to have all sorts of communication difficulties so I replied in English.

“No, I don’t want to turn left. I want to go straight ahead.”

He looked at me and then reversed tack, “You, no left turn.”

“No, that’s right, I don’t want to go left. I’m going up there.” Said I pointing up Wireless Road.

After a few more tries along those lines the poor cop was getting very frustrated. So, he leaned down and spotted my wife sitting next to me. His eyes lit up and he said, “Ah! Khun Thai!”

My wife gave him her sweetest smile and said in English, “No, I’m Japanese.”

The poor guy gave up. He stepped back, gave us a big salute and a smile, and said, “Pai, pai!” as he waved us away.

Where else in the world would that have happened? I can’t see that happening in Australia where the traffic cops treat you like a convicted pedophile just for straying over a double line.

THE CENTRAL LARD PRAO INTERSECTION

My next run in with the law was with a much higher-ranking cop out at the Central Lard Prao intersection. In those days, it was illegal to drive a pickup on the right lane anywhere. I was driving a Mazda pickup on Phaholyothin Road. As I approached the Lard Prao intersection I got on the right turn lane because I wanted to do a U-turn under Vibhavadi Rangsit expressway. The lights changed green and I started into the intersection.

A traffic cop with a bunch of stars on his shoulder pulled me over. At first he spoke Thai to me, so I did my usual dumb farung thing and pretended I couldn’t speak any Thai at all. He immediately switched to flawless English. Oh oh, I thought to myself. I won’t be getting out of this one. He asked me if I knew that it was illegal to drive a pickup in the right hand lane. I told him yes, I did.

Then he asked me why I was on the right hand lane.

“Well, I want to do a U-turn under Vibhavadi. If I’m in the left hand lane where I’m supposed to be and then I cut across the traffic I may cause an accident. You wouldn’t want that would you?” I replied.

He thought about it a few seconds and then he said, “You are right. Ok, you can go this time, but please don’t do it again, will you?”

After assuring him that I would be a very good boy from then on we drove off, while I marveled at the wonderful Thai police. Once again, I couldn’t imagine that happening anywhere else in the Western world.

Not too long after that the law banning pickups driving in the right lane was repealed. I like to think that my reasoning to that high-ranking cop had something to do with it.

OVER THE DOUBLE LINE

As you drive down the expressway towards Bang-na and go over Sukhumvit road there is a lane on the left for drivers who want to do a U-turn to return to ground level Sukhumvit. At the approach to the railroad crossing the road is marked with double lines. Obviously, drivers are not supposed to cross them.

As I drove down there one day I changed into the left lane just as I passed the U-turn junction. Soon after I was pulled over by a motorbike cop. He was a bit more belligerent that most cops I had come across before. I asked him what the problem was. He said that I had crossed the double line back there. I didn’t think I had, but even if I had it must have been just the last couple of inches.

At first he said we should go to the police station to sort things out. All this was in English. I refused to speak Thai, even though by then I was pretty fluent. I find it is always better to negotiate from a position of strength by making them struggle with my language. He spoke just enough English to make himself understood. I smiled and asked him if I couldn’t make a contribution to the police widows fund instead.

“Yes,” he said, “20,000 Baht.”

I thought that was a bit excessive so I told him I would contribute 100 Baht instead. He didn’t like that. But he did reduce to 15,000 Baht. The game was on. I kept insisting that I would only pay him 100 Baht, and he kept reducing his demand by a 1,000 Baht at a time. Time dragged on.

During our negotiations he was obviously getting very frustrated, because he was missing out on the chance to chase other miscreants and make even more for those poor widows. I was in no hurry and I wasn’t about to give in and pay this greedy cop any more than the accepted donation. It took us about 20 minutes of bargaining before I finally got him down to 200 Baht.

I pulled out my wallet and looked inside. Only 1,000 Baht notes there. So I pulled one out and waved it about. He was very nervous when I did that. He didn’t want anyone else to see that we were negotiating.

“I only have 1,000 Baht. Do you have any change?” I smiled sweetly up at him in perfect Thai.

He threw up his hands in frustration and told me to get out of there. He wasn’t going to waste any more time on me so I drove off without paying even a token fine.

BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN

I have heard of some foreigners forking over 500 Baht, or even more when they get pulled over. You are supposed to negotiate. To accept the first demand is a sign of weakness. Perhaps they couldn’t speak enough Thai. The most you should pay, unless you have been caught for drunk driving, is no more than 200 Baht. However, if you do get caught for drunk driving, then you deserve to pay a lot more.

At a meeting with the chief of traffic police recently we discussed the road toll and what he was doing about it. He showed me the statistics to prove that their crackdown on drunk drivers is starting to take effect. Although the number of road deaths was only reduced by about 45 in the last 12 months, the number of fatalities is going down. He also told me that an average of 2 people a day die on the roads in Bangkok alone. He said that he is encouraging his officers to continue cracking down on drunk drivers. So be warned. You face heavy fines and possible jail time if you drink and drive. And if you kill someone while driving drunk you could go to jail for a long time.

So, before you complain about Thai traffic cops in future, think about it. At least you can discuss the problem with them, and very often if you do it right you will drive away scot-free. Just be polite, smile a lot, and remember that a couple of red colored drivers licenses will often get you out of most problems.

 

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Dana
December 26, 2006, 09:53

Well, the facts are correct but I can not be different than what I am--and what I am is a westerner raised in America where grey areas of civil discourse have been pretty much eliminated in favor of rules and regulations and laws that technically benefit the greatest number the most amount of time. I kind of like this system. At least you can get excited about the concept of fairness.

Want me to get involved in this Eastern-Asian-Thai world? Ok, give me a gun. The next civil servant who wants money gets a bullet in the head. There, I'm involved. Gosh, I hope everyone understands my point-of-view.
mike
December 26, 2006, 17:42

I understand what you are saying, Dana. But personally I too like the fact that a man can talk with the Thai cop, maybe even change the outcome of the offense and its punishment/fine, and even pay the fine on the spot. In the USA you have no options like this any more, and yes, you did used to have this as well in the states up until the sixties in many areas, especially the rural areas of the US. Now you have the state and the goddamned insurance industry in your pocket instead, which from what I see is a hell of a lot more expensive usually than just paying your local friendly beat or traffic cop a few bucks to let you go without too much trouble. Give me a 100 or 200 baht on-the-spot mia noi supporting fine over this national highway robbery supposed traffic laws promote in the great old US of A now-a-days. I'd rather help Somchai the Boy in Brown support his mia noi than cough up hundreds more dollars a year to the great state of Taxachusetts or the ****ing legal pickpockets of the Insurance Industry rapists. Sometimes civilization is over-legalized, and it all becomes a huge pain in the ass and a money pit to suck every last dime from the little guy by the big cats of government and industry. **** 'em all! Give me pissant Somchai and his piddly baht requests for my small roadside crimes and be done with it. I disagree with you. It is what makes these third world countries so much more livable. Petty corruption is many times a lot easier to deal with and live with, and cheaper to pay in the long run. Do you drive in Boston and own and insure a car there? -Mike
Marc Holt
December 27, 2006, 01:13

It never ceases to amaze me that so many Americans are so strongly against corruption, when their government and legal system is so weighted against them. The rule of law? What a laugh. As you say Mike, it's legalized highway robbery of the little guy. Be thankful you don't live in the UK, though, because Big Brother is already there with cameras all over the place. You can't go anywhere or do anything without someone watching you. They even have 'talking cameras' now to tell you how to behave when they think you are out of line.

I often laugh at their reactions when I bring up the subject of taxation with Americans too. I point out that they rebelled against King George to escape unfair taxation. Yet the IRS is much worse than KG ever was. What is worse, federal taxes are not really legal, yet everyone pays them because they think they have to.

Dana lives in America, so he retains many of the attitudes of his fellow countrymen. But if he ever comes to live over here I bet it wouldn't take long for him to change his views. As I always say, a little corruption money greases the wheels of commerce and moves it along a lot better than the stubborn attitudes of the Americans. US companies are losing a lot of business because they won't 'play the game'. Too bad for them. The rest of us benefit.
Retired Guy At Large
December 27, 2006, 04:09

Marc wrote: "What is worse, federal taxes are not really legal, yet everyone pays them because they think they have to. "

Sorry, but that is malarky. The legality of the Federal Income Tax system has been proven time and time again throughout the federal court system.

Nevertheless, fringe groups arise once in awhile with made up theories that taxes are illegal; some of the gullible get misled and stop paying taxes, and then end up prosecuted and jailed for their folly.
Mr Lucky
December 27, 2006, 04:46

Actually, we Americans were rebelling against "taxation without representation". We don't mind being taxed if we can vote the a..holes out of office next term.

As for Thailand, corrupt cops and government officials may not be a problem if 200 baht is small change to you, but to the majority of the population here that's ten dinners. So if you're a farmer and the local tambon chief decides he likes your property, he can have it if he greases a few wheels.

If your car is trashed by a drunk Thai in a Benz, don't even bother calling the cops unless you want to pay for his body work as well as your own, not to mention the policemans' mia noi recruitment fund.

And if the cops are corrupt, everyone else in the government feels free to join in - how do potential international investors feel about the hidden costs and lack of transparency that goes with that?

Corruption is keeping Thailand in the Third World - but then maybe that's why some people like it.
Dana
December 27, 2006, 05:16

Attn: Mr. Holt

Re: Americans and 'playing the game'. My father traveled the world for Raytheon making presentations to corrupt governments for mammoth construction projects. He was thrown in jail twice; once in Beirut and once in Cairo because he refused to pay a bribe--"Raytheon does not pay bribes".

Well, of course Raytheon did pay bribes but not my father. The result? The phone calls from France and the Middle East and other countries came through to my father's phone in Boston. The governments wanted to talk to an honest man. As his reputation grew so did his business and his overseas protection. No more jails for him--they used to meet him in armored limos at the airport. Cheap insurance for a man that told the truth. He retired at age 58.

Some pissant cop in Thailand trying to extort my father for 200 baht? You have to be kidding. This was a man who had seen the inside of jails in Cairo and Beirut and learned nothing. I'll never be the equal of my father, my life is already littered with the detrius of the weak; the short cut and the easy answer and the peer pressured response. But I still know right from wrong; and participating in crime is wrong.
Marc Holt
December 30, 2006, 13:59

Citing your father is not really helping you make a point Dana. The fact is, your previous statements imply that you prefer living in the great USA because the government and police over there are so squeaky clean. Your President has never lied to you? And he is not in bed with the military/industrial complex so that they can manufacture and sell more arms? That the billions of dollars earmarked for Iraqi reconstruction instead found its way into the pockets of corrupt politicians and Bush's cronies? Even the GAO admits it can't account for a fraction of that money. Where did it go? Oh, sorry, according to you there is no corruption in America.

Don't tell me that you haven't been stopped by a US traffic cop for a tiny infringement (perhaps a broken tail light) and been extorted (legally of course) out of money? Where does that money go? Didn't you wish at the time that you could get out of paying that money?

There are crimes, and there are crimes. Just because you have a law doesn't mean that it is a good one all the time. Sometimes, we have an obligation to break a law if it is bad. The same thing goes for paying our Thai 'pissant cops' as you call them. Without the money they get from drivers they would not be able to pay for their uniforms, guns, motorcycles, and even for putting food on the table for their family. The Thai government doesn't respect the law any more than the US government does. But they are more honest about it here. They pay the cops a pittance and tell them to go out and make the money to stay employed.

The US police, on the other hand, are paid well, are supplied all their equipment, and they apply the law rigorously as a result. But if you haven't seen examples of them overstepping the mark, then perhaps you have had your head parked in a very dark place. Does Rodney King ring a bell?

It's not just the US cops, ether. The UK and Aussie cops are just as bad. There was a case in Sydney years ago where the chief of the Sydney drug squad was arrested and jailed because he and his buddies were reselling the drugs they got from busts. The chief of the Perth drug squad was a certified nut case, and my lawyer had the papers to prove it. (There's a story there I may tell one day)

So, what would you rather do, Dana? Would you rather waste a day going down to the local police station where the fine will be at least 3 times higher than the small amount you give to a cop on the street? Either way, that money goes into the communal coffers where it is shared between all the cops in the station. That's why you see them out on the streets around the middle and end of the month. They are out getting their salaries.

That money also helps pay for their promotions. When we laughingly say we have the best police force money can buy, it's actually very true.

So I don't look at the small payment I pay, perhaps once or twice a year, as corruption. I call it the 'police benevolent fund'. They may not be very good at their job, but at least they are there, and they have a much better arrest rate for most crimes than any police force in the US can claim. And if you do get arrested over here one day, wouldn't you like to feel confident that you could pay your way out of trouble, rather than spending time in the 'Bangkok Hilton'?
Dana
December 30, 2006, 18:19

"Citing your father is not really helping you make a point Dana" -- Really?

Well, Mr. Holt I guess I can keep my heart rate down over this. You did not know him. If my father had gotten stopped by a Thai policeman and extorted for 200 baht he would have given the policeman a ride to the police station. If my father ended up in the Bangkok Hilton over this you would have to call that behavior a big mistake mechanically. But if the police had let him out of the police station that also would have been a big mistake because my father would have gone directly to the King's palace and WALKED IN.

My father was brought up during the Depression in the United States in the midwest as the son of a Methodist minister. After that he fought against evil in the Pacific for three years. He was not the brightest lightbulb in the hallway but he did know the difference between right and wrong and he acted on it. He would not have sent you back for the ammo.
Marc Holt
January 2, 2007, 16:29

Final words: Have you ever heard the phrase "When in Rome...."?
Rich
January 5, 2007, 23:29

This video doesn't make you feel sorry for the police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4-hsknqPI

I know it happens.....doesn't make it right.
CC KING
March 28, 2007, 02:39

Why do people think what happens in Thailand only happens in Thailand.
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