Are Mongers Sex Addicts?

By : -Korski
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It’s not an easy question to answer, and there may well be as many different answers as there are mongers and others who are presented with the question. Herewith some thoughts on the matter, thoughts that might well bring forth ideas and ways of looking at the issue that I’ve missed or not considered.

Consider some possible ways of thinking of sex addicts in the context of whoring in Southeast Asia.

A sex addict is someone who makes two or three trips a year to Southeast Asia, each trip for a period of two to three weeks. The sole or overriding purpose of such trips is to have sex with as many different women (hookers or “good girls” or some combination) as possible, and yet leaving open the possibility that in one or all of these trips the monger will spend some significant amount of his time with one or two women. For whatever reason, he has found them highly desirable, enough so to decide that being a dedicated butterfly, moving from one woman to another every day or two, is a pattern of behavior to be put on hold.

But, surely, merely behaving in this manner, or in some similar manner (going more frequently or staying for shorter or longer periods of time) cannot in itself constitute “addiction,” where addiction refers to a “need” for more, and not only a need for more sex, and perhaps more sex with different partners, but a need in which other aspects of one’s life are being significantly affected. The monger is going into debt, and at some point, crippling or debilitating debt to finance these trips. The monger is in a relationship in his home country and the relationship begins to suffer as a direct result of these trips, and then at some point the relationship fails largely because of this constant mongering activity. If either or both of these conditions exist, and the person also thinks frequently, and perhaps obsessively, of these trips, to the point of literally counting the days and hours until the next trip, and perhaps also continually bringing to mind the women and the exploits of previous trips, then there is yet more reason to see the monger as a sex addict. Perhaps there is more. These mongering trips, though constituting less than fifteen or twenty percent of a year, are becoming such a financial and emotional drain that one’s very job performance suffers, and suffers to the point where he is in danger of losing his job, and therefore the very means of financing his mongering trips to Southeast Asia.

What I have suggested here in brief is the kind of “addiction” that very often in varying degrees characterizes drug addicts, those hooked on cocaine, or heroin, or meth. Such drug addictions so completely take hold of an individual that they rather literally destroy his (or her) life.

But do many mongers—more than a very small handful—fit the characterization I have suggested? I honestly don’t know, and I’m not sure that anyone who has thought about it and has made frequent visits to Thailand and the Philippines—the two major destinations for mongers—has any firm data on this kind of a question. Nor would those--I would guess--who have been long resident in Thailand and the Philippines and have spent a significant amount of time around expat mongers and those who come frequently to monger but live abroad. So in one sense, and even assuming mongers fit the “addict” profile I have outlined, it is simply an open-ended question. Indeed, open-ended enough, I would argue, that it’s quite possible—and this is what I in fact believe—that the number of “sex addicts” among that population of mongers who year after year find themselves in Southeast Asia for the girls is very small. And indeed may be a largely nonexistent population.

There are, no doubt, plenty of people about who would want to argue that even if we relax or eliminate the three or four traits I’ve pinpointed that would allow one to bring some definitional refinement to the word “sex addict,” there are more than a small handful of mongers who are, well, sex addicts. And hardcore sex addicts at that. This category would include all of those sex tourists or mongers who show any kind of consistent pattern of returning to Thailand and the Philippines for the principal purpose of having sex with any number of women.

But is this really an “addiction?” I don’t think so. In fact, with all of the “damaging” aspects of the behavior absent, I don’t think that f**king thirty or forty different Thai and Filipina girls year after year is anything like an addiction. It is not even in the same category as the addiction to cigarettes and alcohol that a very large percentage of mongers have, and would have more difficulty getting rid of than their two or three yearly trips to Thailand and the Philippines.

Why would anyone even want to call the mongers of Southeast Asia in all of their many guises and tastes sex addicts? Well, for the simple reason that by the standards of the societies from which the mongers come, their behavior is abnormal, indeed quite aberrant. Aberrant not just because of the number of different sexual couplings they have over any given period of time, but equally—even more so, perhaps—for the fact that sex is being paid for up front. Paid for in ways that nearly everyone recognizes as payment for the services of a prostitute, which nearly everyone sees as different that the much more expensive outlays for sex, and very often boring and infrequent sex, in a socially sanctioned marriage. The expected societal norm is to be, if not perfectly monogamous, then more or less so—perhaps cheating on one’s partner on an infrequent basis, but not, even in this, having sex with anywhere from a dozen to a couple of dozen different women every six months or a years.

Among mongers, of course, the verdict on this issue might be quite different. They’re a self-selected lot, and, as far as I can tell, fundamentally unconcerned, or little concerned, about the moral nature of what they are doing. Very few seem to give a rat’s ass about what the vast majority of their countrymen (and women of a thousand stripes) think about their sexual behavior, and whether or not they are going with prostitutes. Looked at this way, one would be much more likely, I would think, to conclude that the words “sex addict” are little more than the heavily freighted words of those who disapprove, who cannot abide their moralizing, and who are often eagerly insistent to make it known that any kind of mongering behavior is not only an addiction but a genuine sickness. One, indeed, far more serious than addictions that they themselves embrace and fail to recognize: addictions to food, to nicotine, to alcohol, to shopping, to conspicuous consumption, to loud moralizing, to the need to insistently intrude themselves into the private and personal lives of others. Lives that are not in any sense any of their business.


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Dana
January 24, 2012, 00:39

The way Mr. Korski frames the question and presents the material mongers are not sex addicts. I agree. But there are always the exceptions. If there are only ten exceptions in the world they still count. I believe there are some monger sex addicts in the world. How many? Maybe only two, or three, or ten. The numbers are always much much lower for this arena of activity then we assume. In fact, I believe that there are a great deal more pedophiles than monger sex addicts. Most men do not really have much interest in having sex with women. They say they do but the numbers make liars out of them. Years ago I lived right next to a strip joint in a bad part of town. I was in for dinner (steak tips and rice and a beer) almost seven days a week for a very long time. I got to know all the girls and I always had a wonderful companion for dinner. I saw very few men make the place a home. Guys are simply not very interested in spending time with women. Not a bad thing, but sure different than the stories they tell.
sisterray
January 24, 2012, 21:51

Sex addicts, alcoholics, gaming-addicts, face-bookers, drug addicts, kleptomaniacs, eating disorders and compulsive benvaiour. We all repeart anti-social behaviour expecting a different outcome every time.

When directed towards something wholesome, like collecting stamps or writing articles on a Thai-centric websites our obssesive ticks can create astonishing results, some of the time.

Everyone seems to be addicted to something - the secret is to juggle the obsessions.
mark twain
January 24, 2012, 22:05

Before I went to my first SLAA meeting I didn't know what a sex addict was. I went there to pick up girls. Some guys go to bars I went to SLAA and Parents without partners meetings. This was before I became a porn star and had lots of sex and got paid for it. You would be surprised how many people will pay to watch and old guy have sex with an 18 year old beauty in scuba gear among other things. So I am sure my findings are a bit outdated but I discovered all male sex addicts like to roller blade. It was odd how many meetings turned into discussions of the best new roller blade wheels.

Since you brought it up let me tell you about sex addicts and also the reason I stopped going to the meetings. Sex addicts hurt themselves. The women hurt their private parts in addition to almost every other part and the men usually end up incarcerated. It is a bad thing. It is not something to make light of and has little to do with mongers or South East Asia or prostitution.

Korski is letting his ignorance of the subject color his usual professorial judgment.

There is nothing good written about sex addiction so it is no wonder Korski doesn't know anything about it. You gotta go to a shrink who specializes in it and then a bunch of meetings. Not a psychologist but a psychiatrist. And the psychiatrist is not going to tell you much about it unless you are a sex addict and then he won't tell you much. He will medicate you and hope for the best. There is no cure. For sure he won't tell you that.

If you are not a sex addict thank your lucky stars and if you are I feel sorry for you because a chemical lobotomy is about your only option. Asia is not the answer because sex addicts will also get in trouble in Asia.
Korski
January 30, 2012, 23:22

[Korski is letting his ignorance of the subject color his usual professorial judgment.]

In fact, I've read a fair bit about what is called sex addiction. What I tried to do here was ask the question re mongers, not with regard to those who would, as one might say, fall within the third standard deviation, those individuals who, as you claim, can't do without their skateboards, and want to hurt themselves and others and will wind up in jail or prison. I don't doubt these kinds of individuals exist, but they're not of concern to me, and my sense is they're a non-existent, or nearly nonexistent, category among mongers in SEA.
Airmail
January 31, 2012, 08:23

The way to rid yourself of an addiction is to replace it with another. No question about it,professionals will back me up on this.
Addictive personalities can't be cured but they can be tweaked.
Mongers In Thailand may be addicted to Thai women and sex is just a corollary.
Korski
January 31, 2012, 11:21

Mongers In Thailand may be addicted to Thai women and sex is just a corollary.

I'm inclined to think you have the causal arrows backwards. Mongers go to Thailand to get it on with women, and then fall for the Thai, the women they're shagging. The young women they cannot get at home.
Airmail
January 31, 2012, 16:07

It's a toss up Korski. You can get young hookers at home of any nationality albeit at a higher price but when you factor in the air fares and accommodation and shopping they're probably paying no less in Thailand. Maybe even more.
I said they're addicted to Thai women because the Thai women at home (in the west) are now westernised. It's not only the sex but how Thai women in Thailand make these guys feel. Their self esteems are massaged and even though it's an illusion and paid for the act is pretty good. Used to be better but still above that of what they get back home. So they get addicted to Thai women (read treatment); when they go home they miss it and come back for another dose again and again. That's how addiction works.
GoingPostal
February 1, 2012, 07:45

"Their self esteems are massaged and even though it's an illusion and paid for the act is pretty good. "

This may be part of it, but it is not the primary reason. Boys will go to a country other than their own to hire prostitutes because the country is not their own.

Not their laws, not their culture, and not their women looking right back at them. A woman in your own country knows they are looking at a loser and you know they know.

They go to countries other than their own because they have manufactured an illusion in their mind which provides more favorable circumstances lending to the enjoyment factor. Everything they can think of from "we're helping the poor girls have a better life" to "everyone does it in Thailand" to "they think I'm hansum in Thailand."

There are exceptions, men of money and power hiring women of beauty and class. Both parties know they're exceptional and 'above' the commoners.
Korski
February 1, 2012, 09:13

"It's a toss up Korski. You can get young hookers at home of any nationality albeit at a higher price but when you factor in the air fares and accommodation and shopping they're probably paying no less in Thailand. Maybe even more."

I don't see how you figure this. Short-time in the West is about a half hour or until you ejaculate, and these are rarely good looking women, unless you're in Mexico. In Thailand, even among the pros, you'll get two hours or more. And if you get them long-time, easy to do, you're talking eight to ten hours or more. Nothing remotely like this in the West unless you pay at least ten times as much, and you'll not get them as pretty and young, and they'll be every bit as predatory as anything in Thailand. Furthermore, you cannot anywhere in the West, with very rare exceptions, get a twenty year old who's sexy and good looking when you're fifty or sixty. We're talking different universes, and in a fundamental sense it has nothing to do with feminism and western values. Any man who doesn't see the difference between prostitution in the West and that in Thailand has never been around hookers in the West.
Korski
February 1, 2012, 09:17

"Not their laws, not their culture, and not their women looking right back at them. A woman in your own country knows they are looking at a loser and you know they know."

Utterly beside the point. It's all about what you're getting for your money, and there is no comparison between Thailand and the West. Period. Guys who need hookers don't care a dang about whether they're losers, winners, or flat out hungry dogs.
Winston Kodogo
February 1, 2012, 18:17

i think we are slipping into "they" again. I know it is difficult to avoid generalisations but it's not a bad idea to try. I suspect that every definition will apply to some people to some extent. Maybe a collapsed marriage will leave a hole that can't be easily filled in by picking up local women who remind the man of his ex. Maybe a hedonistic ideology can come into play (why not go with beautiful young Thai prostitutes?). Maybe a sense that in someone damaged like himself he might find a soulmate because who could be more broken and lost than a Thai prostitute? Maybe it is simply the relief that he doesn't have to worry about the niceties involved in normal dating (like going to see rom coms) because he is paying... There are myriad possibilities and this isn't even scratching the surface.

I would also like to know where this word "mongers" relating to people who frequent prostitutes comes from. It is not one of the definitions of the word monger in my Funk and Wagnells. After all... It is not the client who is selling anything so why is he the monger? I am honestly curious about this new usage of this old word. In the classical use a "whoremonger" would be the pimp involved in selling whores.

I'm not sure that the criticism is correct that this piece is making light of the serious affliction called sex addiction. We are all sex addicts. The fact that some people are so uncontrollably addicted to sex that their lives are destroyed by their compulsion doesn't mean that there aren't more moderate forms of sex addiction. Some people can smoke five a day while other people get through five packs but they are all addicted to nicotine.

I wonder how many foreign men who currently live in Thailand would continue to live there if there was a plague that wiped out the entire female population. I suspect you'd be left with some gay chaps and a handful of very serious Buddhists. A lot of white men are attracted to Asian women and Thailand's lax approach to prostitution creates a huge number of very beautiful Asian women who are making themselves sexually accessible. The idea that it isn't totally normal for a vast range of men to take advantage of such a situation is slightly naive about human nature. If you live in Thailand you might start taking it for granted and stop frequenting the bars and then look down with contempt at those people who work and save to come back. But that's because you're here.

What kind of men go back regularly to Thailand to meet prostitutes? Men with penises.
Airmail
February 2, 2012, 04:50

No, GP. The primary reason is always the motivating factor. You can argue as I did that it's a self esteem issue or as you did as a self esteem issue(they're feeling losers.) Same,same.
Prostitutes in the west, if they're good, also give you a lift[literally speaking too :-)]

The illusion factor I already mentioned so you're not saying anything new. Illusion is nothing but perception and it's your reality when you're in Thailand. You can maintain that for as long you stay there. Thai women are part of the equation. Also being in Thailand makes you "different" while back at home you're just a number. This is all to do with your mental "well being". That's why so many when they go home get depressed and want to come back asap.

Men of money and power hiring women are mostly buying them as a commodity. If those women are prostitutes they're only exceptional because they charge more than the common ones. If you buy a Merc rather than a Toyota you're still getting a set of wheels which take you from A to B but a Merc is a status symbol as are high "class" hookers. There are plenty of rich guys in Thailnd who buy both the Mercs and the high maintenance hookers or mia nois. Having a status symbol is a self esteem issue too.
Dana
February 2, 2012, 04:51

" . . . it is not the primary reason."

The primary reason? I think the primary reason for me is that the women smile at me. A man will do a lot for a smile from a woman. LOS--Land Of Smiles.

And I always smile or wave back. In America? In America I keep my head down and my mouth shut when within fifty yards of a female. Years ago I was thrown out of a public park in Brookline, Ma. There were women and children there and I was there having my lunch. A woman found a policeman. He just rolled his eyes at me and told me the easiest thing to do was just leave. I hate these women and the women they will create by raising their little girls with meanspirited nonsense. If women want to run the world I say let them. But I ought to be able to sit in a public park at noon and have a lunch. Not allowing me to eat? What is the next step? Simple. Not allowing me to live. Everything in Thailand may be fake but it still better than here where everything is mean. And as for me being a loser because I am in another country for the smiles? You need to throw that baggage off the train or I am not going to be able to tell the difference between the mean women in America and you. I'm a loser? No . . . listen very carefully; I am not a loser.
Airmail
February 2, 2012, 15:15

"I am not going to be able to tell the difference between the mean women in America and you. "

Yes you can if you can tell the difference between a lady boy and GP. With your repeated writings about gender issues I bet you can tell what GP is. No? He got you fooled.
Airmail
February 2, 2012, 15:30

"Any man who doesn't see the difference between prostitution in the West and that in Thailand has never been around hookers in the West."
I yield to your expertise.
Ah,while you're at it ,tell me if in the west they check your ID when you're obviously legal age(50-60)? Doesn't money talk even in the West? Like if you got the required amount won't they accept you even if you want to have a chat only? Or how long does it take for a 60 year old to come? Hey?
Thailand also have different price structures and time limits.
Have you never been to a soapy and look at their "superstars"?
Try to put a price on a popular Thai singer or model. They're available but you pay through the nose.
Well, what are we talking about,Cheap Charlies only?

Look,I can calculate. Add all the expenses of getting to Thailand ,hotels,drinks,travelling around, tips,shopping ,etc and then work out how much you paid for each screw. Especially if you're 60+. Not exactly at the top of your stamina.
Ah,btw I haven't factored in your medical expenses at Bamrungrad, God forbid!

Korski
February 2, 2012, 23:09

Dict. def. Monger: a person who is involved with something in a petty or contemptible way (usually used in combination): a gossipmonger. In the West, indeed in most of the world, men who go with prostitutes are seen as contemptible. Monger is short-hand for whoremonger, a man who goes with prostitutes.

Winston writes: We are all sex addicts.

This is flat out false. Millions of men go with prostitutes one or two or three times. By no stretch of the imagination are they sex addicts. I have no trouble knocking down half a dozen beers or a bottle of wine every day for a couple of weeks. And then stop and not have a drop of alcohol for another couple of weeks. One might say that I stretch the definition of being a social drinker, but I am most certainly not addicted to alcohol. Or, rather, only mildly so. :)
Korski
February 2, 2012, 23:20

"Look,I can calculate. Add all the expenses of getting to Thailand ,hotels,drinks,travelling around, tips,shopping ,etc and then work out how much you paid for each screw. Especially if you're 60+. Not exactly at the top of your stamina.
Ah,btw I haven't factored in your medical expenses at Bamrungrad, God forbid!"
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NO, you can't calculate, unless all you're calculating is the cost of getting off with anything or anyone. If you pick up a street hooker in the U.S. and get with her for fifteen minutes in your car or alley it's going to cost you 50 or 75 US, and Christ knows what you're going to catch, and she's probably going to be on hard drugs, and it's a guarantee you'll need to put a bag over her head to not throw up from looking at her. Whereas in Thailand, the overwhelming majority of prostitution for foreigners is with a young woman, a great many of whom are good to very good looking, and even if it is short-time you will have, well, a couple of hours with her. As I noted, it will cost you ten to twenty times as much for a long time go with a hooker in the US., and you can bet she'll be a pro like you can't imagine. You won't even get the illusion of a GFE you can get in Thailand or the Philippines or Cambodia or even Vietnam. Fact is, I'd even bet that when Tiger Woods paid 15K for one night with a hooker, it was not as good as many farang get for $100 for a night in Bangkok.

I'm afraid you are simply being simplistic. It is not, by any measure how much, in your words, you "paid for a screw." Of course, maybe this is all it means to you.

What's this about medical expenses? Not a clue what this has to do with going with Thai hookers?
GoingPostal
February 3, 2012, 02:47

"Guys who need hookers don't care a dang about whether they're losers, winners, or flat out hungry dogs."

You say that with all the conviction of someone who truly knows.

I did not say they cared about what they thought of themselves, I'd imagine they have long accepted their plot in life. What they care about is what the women think of them. I know there will be denials, but it is what it is. I am sure there are a fair few sods who have not yet figured out what they feel or care about. Therapy can be valuable in such cases.
Airmail
February 3, 2012, 11:37

"What's this about medical expenses? Not a clue what this has to do with going with Thai hookers? "
Well, yes , since you mentioned 60 year olds; one of the overhead expenses of this group when in Thailand is medical expenses. So if a 60 year old decides to prove to himself that he still got it he may overdo it and end up a heart attack case or just dehydrated or whatever. Certainly a man of advanced age runs the risk of needing medical attention when overindulging. So yes, this possibility adds to the overall cost of coming to Thailand to screw around. Say this punter comes to Thailand from the US for two weeks to burn the candle at both ends; I'd hazard a guess that by the time he went home he could be six grand lighter. Of course he'll try to jam as much into his sojourn as physically possible and more. Hence the possibilty of a break down due to callisthenics and overindulgence of alcohol. So work out how much is a long time hooker from Soi Cowboy times 14, add the expenses I outlined and you'll also come up to my figure. Also this is "averaging down". If the old duffer runs out of puff he'll just hold hands and still pay. So tell me how much was each score? Surely you can divide?
Your quoting for each event without the additional costs are misleading.
Now to comment on your GFE,sure that is probably not attainable from a pro in the west. But now you're confirming my earlier comment, illusions and perceptions is what makes Thai women IN Thailand addictive not just the pure sex which you originally stated. Sex you can have anywhere and will especially when addicted in The USA and in cars,alleys and with the lowest of whores. Most of these guys you maintain are addicted to sex want it whenever the urge arises,they can't wait for a long trip and planning it and even for a few hundred bucks it's instant back home and the outlay is much smaller than going abroad.
NOW and IF you're addicted to Thai women IN Thailand THEN you must travel. So that's where I started; what these guys are addicted to in actual fact.
Ps. 15K for Tiger was like a $150 for you.
mark twain
February 3, 2012, 15:56

I said, “There is nothing good written on sex addiction and Korski said in response, “In fact, I've read a fair bit about what is called sex addiction.”

Boy is that a disconnect. It makes me feel bad to be so thoroughly ignored. Kind of like a professor to completely ignore anyone he things is not in his league academically.

I guess I have to state it again on a simpler level that makes even people with advanced degrees candidates for understanding. There is nothing good or worthwhile written on Sex Addiction so to read anything about it is worthless, a waste of time. You might as well listen to Airmail.

I said nothing worthwhile has been written on sex addiction and Korski responded by saying, “In fact, I've (Korski) read a fair bit about what is called sex addiction.” To chalk another credit up for paying attention Korski mentions skateboards. I never said anything about skate boards. I mentioned Rollerblades. Rollerblades are quite different than Skateboards. And I never said anything about addiction to Rollerblades. Nothing, nada, zip. So Korski you get an F in reading comprehension.

I'll try the whole thing over. I never said sex addicts were addicted to Rollerblades. I never said anything about skateboards. What I did say is that sex addicts like to Rollerblade and nothing has been written by any authors anywhere that is helpful in dealing with the problems caused by sex addiction.

Now, if professor Korski has any questions about sex addiction I would be happy to answer them as I know more about the subject than anyone on this forum or anywhere else for that matter. But I doubt that he has the ability to phrase a good question on any thing to do with sex addiction so I won't hold my breath. Better than asking questions would be making personal attacks or requesting recitation of academic qualifications. Kind of like the person wanting to know how to get to Prague asking the person by the road if he has a degree in Czechoslovakian cartography.
Dana
February 3, 2012, 22:08

"Therapy can be valuable in such cases."

Therapy is for therapists. Leave the rest of us alone.
Korski
February 3, 2012, 23:07

Therapy can be valuable in such cases.

You're quite right. I really don't know if there are some men who feel like losers when they go with hookers. No doubt there are some who feel this way. Those I know certainly don't, or say they don't. As for therapy of just about any kind: almost always a failure. Look at the twentieth century story of psychotherapy. A complete failure. As for Freud: largely a fraud and a coke addict.

Got a very close friend who is a paranoid schizophrenic and decided to go off meds to control it and go with a "new age" drug free shrink. Wound up being picked up by the police and I had to institutionalize her and now after three weeks out of the hole and back on meds she's doing quite well. And the shrink who was going to cure her is now history--bloody good riddance. Not good to have to numb someone's mind, but often the very best thing to do.
Airmail
February 4, 2012, 04:48

"You might as well listen to Airmail."
No mate, don't listen at your peril. Since you're in the 65+ bracket and fancy yourself a sexual athlete you should make sure that your medical insurance is in order. Ah,I nearly forgot , the US government will foot the bills. Then it's ok and of course you've already had experience in Thai hospitals.
Still we worry about you here, we need your insightful comments and funny asides. :-)
Dana
February 4, 2012, 04:50

"Look at the twentieth century story of psychotherapy."

One of the biggest idea failures of the 20th century. And so much money and time and emotion wasted. Almost all mental problems can be solved by getting a second job. You are too tired at night to have problems.

At least now that the cat is out of the bag we are spared the endless plots on TV and in the movies in the 50's and the early 60's that always had something to do with mental issues and therapy and . . . bogus and boring.

People take their pets to the shrink. Right there is a good reason to thin the herd. I'll bet every pet shrink has a bag full of doggie treats in his desk. No wonder the pet wants to go to therapy. Stupid.

I never had 1% of sympathy for therapy anything and now the world is catching up to me. All I had to do was wait 40 years. Next stop on the Dana train--respect for author's: probably another forty years. Conclusion? If you wait patiently long enough all the fools around you eventually grow up. Does anyone in America remember bomb shelters? A nation of idiots. How about the military telling sunk sailors to splash around in the water to scare sharks away? It attracts sharks. How about people telling people with frost bite to rub snow on it? No, that is not right either.

Psychotherapy is unfortunately for me because of my natural knee jerk political persuasion the single greatest example of the idea that liberals are idiots. When I was 19 I had to be hospitalized for a serious injury. A minister came in to administer to me. A brainless simp representing a pagan religion wanted to know if I needed his help. Fools.
Dana
February 4, 2012, 04:57

On sex addiction: "I know more about the subject than anyone on this forum or anywhere else for that matter." -- mark twain

I believe you, I just wish you would write about it. I have never met a sex addict. Years ago I met a retired attorney from Chicago who was on the road eleven months of the year. A suite in Bangkok, a condo in Brazil, and a house rental in Cambodia. Eleven months of the year meeting nice ladies. He was on the bus to Pattaya to have photos he had taken in Bangkok turned into oil paintings that would be sent to Brazil. He was focused but I did not consider him an addict. He was an intelligent balanced human with an interest that he could afford to pursue.
Korski
February 4, 2012, 04:58

"So if a 60 year old decides to prove to himself that he still got it he may overdo it and end up a heart attack case or just dehydrated or whatever. Certainly a man of advanced age runs the risk of needing medical attention when overindulging."
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Probably less likely to incur medical expenses if he stayed home and continued pushing his stress diet. As for the rest comment on those in their sixties, it's just pure speculation on your part.

One hell of a lot of guys don't to Thailand for the girls because they don't have the time away from work, they don't have the travel money, they've got wives, and they're not even aware of what is available. As noted more than once, for what you get in Thailand, there is simply no comparison in the West on a per hour basis, and this is including airfare and hotels and pricey condoms.
Korski
February 4, 2012, 05:03

"Now, if professor Korski has any questions about sex addiction I would be happy to answer them as I know more about the subject than anyone on this forum or anywhere else for that matter."
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Hey, dude, let's get something square. I've never once flagged my degrees or what I do, period. So don't feel uneasy about my having a Ph.D., okay? As for your incredible expertise, hey, I'm always open to learning. Send me five or ten good references and I'll be more than happy to give you my opinion on them. But, listen, I'm delighted to hear of your unparalleled expertise on sex addiction, and I do hope to get that list of key references soon. Seen to korski1@cox.net. Thanks in advance.
Korski
February 4, 2012, 05:04

"Therapy is for therapists. Leave the rest of us alone."
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Superb.
mark twain
February 4, 2012, 17:44

Oh sweet Jesus on a rice cracker I've been duded again. Rosse duded me too I seem to remember.

One of the pleasures of only hanging around Thai women is no one ever calls you dude. Of the 1,836 times I have has sex with Asian women in the past 6 years not one of them has ever called me dude.

I can't ever remember an adult outside of the state of California ever calling me dude.

I knew a guy named dude once upon a time. He lived with copperhead snakes in a trailer in a State next to Texas. Dude was retarded. He used to shoot at my cat. It was granny's cat too. He stopped doing it when granny shot him. Least ways we told everyone granny shot him.

Since I am being semantic it is not, “lets get something square”, it's “lets get something straight.”

Korski you were writing about sexual addiction I thought you might have some questions about it. Why would I send you a reference? My reference's don't know anything about sex addiction either. I am the only one who does. And why would I want your opinion about my references? You don't know anything about sex addiction. Unless a key reference is kind of like key money. Suffice it to say when Club Eden, The Devil's Den or the Castle want employees they call me up. I know where to find them and how to break them in. It is not easy training sex addicts. I'm not saying that all the ladies at the three above clubs are sex addicts but the best employees are. There are not a lot of places where one can work that being a sex addict helps.

I realize Dana is correct and I should write something about sex addiction. But everyone here is a baby boy in trainer pants. There is one guy who posts on Thai Visa who used to be a cop in Hong Kong in the 1960's and he is fun to talk to and another guy who lives in Thailand who was the CIA comptroller in SEA during the 1970's. The fact he is still alive is a major miracle. And then there is Ray the Egyptian Jew that the NYC mob sprung from a Maximum security prison in China. Now them boys you could tell a story to without worrying about political correctness. Stickmanbangkok, Thailandstories, Thai Visa naw; not ready for me yet.

You are right about the health problems. If anyone wants up to date price information about angioplasty, clot busting medication, current ICU rates drop me a note. This is not a cheap game, cost me 200,000 baht a few weeks ago to stay alive and I had to stop smoking which really pained me.
Just when I had found an non scarring method of Japanese $@&*# I have to stop smoking what a bummer.
Dana
February 4, 2012, 23:14

"Oh sweet Jesus on a rice cracker I've been duded again. Rosse duded me too I seem to remember."

I am with Mr. Twain on this. I hate this dude moniker directed towards me and accept no nonsense about how it is just conversation. It is confrontational, unfriendly, and offensive. It also brings down and derogatates (new word) the affronter (possible new word). Do not call me dude, assfxxx.

Korski
February 4, 2012, 23:39

"I realize Dana is correct and I should write something about sex addiction. But everyone here is a baby boy in trainer pants."
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Yeah, now I remember who you are and what you're really up, having encountered far too much of you on another site. You're not worth my time in an exchange.
Airmail
February 5, 2012, 04:43

When people use the address "dude" they reveal inadequacy. Simpe as that. "Buddy" is another one in certain context.
Btw, MT , did you add the 200,000 baht to the cost of doing business as a stud? Or was it entirely due to your other addiction,smoking? Whichever way you apportion it you still got to pay for your vices. :-)
Of course you could argue as Korski does that it's cheaper than back home but he was talking about visitors to the Kingdom not residents like you. Next he'll be arguing that people who come for medical treatments to Thailand are sex addicts. ;-(
Korski
February 5, 2012, 04:47

"It is confrontational, unfriendly, and offensive. It also brings down and derogatates (new word) the affronter (possible new word). Do not call me dude, assfxxx."
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Couldn't agree more, and asked Steve Rosse to quit calling me a dude. But an insult, and an arrogant one at that, deserves just desert--an insult in kind.
GoingPostal
February 5, 2012, 15:38

"Hey, dude, let's g"

I for one support your use of the term "dude", entirely appropriate IMO. But in your context should it not be "Dude?" You were directly addressing him correct? Perhaps it is a gray area.
mark twain
February 6, 2012, 08:55

Well this is a fine kettle of fish. If I read Korski's last comment directed at me he feels I have insulted him and that I am not worthy of his degree laden professorial talented razor wit to respond and I am left to cope with the ramifications and degradations of being duded.

Korski thinks that we have crossed swords/pens on another forum and since he apparently was bested in that exchange does not want another go at me.

I assume both Korski and I were writing under a different name in that forum. What a delightful Asian mystery.

Think as I may I can only remember one other person I have ever insulted on another forum. He is a gay guy named Jing Thing. And I actually like Jing Thing but however well reasoned a comment disagreeing with him may be, he can't abide any jests directed at gay men. He also can't abide any comments about female anatomy being works of art among other things and when disagreed with performs the literary equivalent of jumping up and down in writing which I find amusing hence the insults. For the most part Thai Visa has a “gays can do no wrong” moderation policy since so many mods are gay and JT has been around for a long time almost immune from criticism. I find it difficult to believe Korski is Jing Thing. If he is wow is all I can say.

So really the only other alternative is Korski is wrong and I am not who he thinks I am. I have been a published writer in South East Asia since 1968 so I assume I have offended a few people during that time but I can't remember offending a dude called Korski. I think he has made another error.

Korski said and I quote, “Yeah, now I remember who you are and what you're really up, having encountered far too much of you on another site. You're not worth my time in an exchange.”

Sorry dude but I don't think we have ever had a difference of opinion before. Certainly not on Stickmanbangkok. But I could be in error. Who do you think I am? And you might want to tell me how I insulted you. Read as I may I can find no insult. This site does not post insults. I have penned some insults here and they never made it into print. Honest, ask the powers that be here. You ain't been insulted by me. I did comment you knew nothing about sex addiction but surely you don't interpret anyone who disagrees with you as insulting.
Korski
February 7, 2012, 08:30

"Well this is a fine kettle of fish. If I read Korski's last comment directed at me he feels I have insulted him and that I am not worthy of his degree laden professorial talented razor wit to respond and I am left to cope with the ramifications and degradations of being duded."
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It's not at all a matter of being fit to talk with someone with my degrees--which as I indicated I never flag, though it bothers you a great deal and you seem terribly uptight about it. But anytime I hear someone say, as you do with regard to sexual addiction, I know everything there is to know about it and no one knows anything compared to me, this is way way too much. This is, simply put, arrogance way beyond the pale, and I don't even tolerate this kind of arrogant blather from colleagues who are in the National Academy of Sciences and have 300 publications. People with this kind of attitude have a Newt Gingrich Problem: a massive case of narcissism. They need a very long cold shower to wake to reality.
Korski
February 7, 2012, 08:32

"Read as I may I can find no insult."
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You just don't get it. Read my previous comment. I do indeed know who you are.
mark twain
February 7, 2012, 16:15

There is a major difference between personal arrogance and insulting another person. If I understand you correctly, you are saying because I am smarter than you are; that insults you.

This is not the first time this has happened to me, when I told Marshall McLuhan he should learn something about Eskimos before writing about them he attacked me personally instead of attacking what I said.

Let me give you an example. I said, “read as I may I can find no insult.” You said, “You just don't get it.” That is not finding an insult that is a personal attack. You said, “People with this kind of attitude have a Newt Gingrich Problem: a massive case of narcissism.” That is not finding an insult; that is a personal attack.

My arrogance is not an insult to you. That you take offense to my arrogance is your problem.

I think any reasonably objective third party would agree that I have not attacked or insulted you. Of course my arrogance is way beyond the pale but until God dies and puts you in charge of levels of arrogance that is not an insult to you. I believe Rosse thought he was the Chaplain of “Thailand Stories.” Your recent comments lead me to believe you think you are the Chancellor of Education of “Thailand Stories” at least as far as blathering and arrogance is concerned. You don't have a clue who I am but you may be in danger of becoming a victim of “Turnpike Tom.”
Dana
February 8, 2012, 04:49

" as far as blathering and arrogance is concerned."

Shades of the Mangosauce Comment section from years ago . . . enough.
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