Iceland?

By : Rob Carry
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Most Thais, basically, haven't a notion where Ireland is. Luckily for them however, I'm frequently hit by an overwhelming urge to tell people, at every possible juncture and on the most flimsy of pretexts, all about my little green homeland. If someone Irish comes on the TV everybody near me hears about it. I even do this when the premiership highlights are on and there's at least one Irish guy playing in practically every game. The same goes for movies, books, phrases food and drinks.

My Thai friends, initially, seemed very receptive in that they’d smile and nod enthusiastically before going back to watching the TV/world go by. However, I recently discovered that they were not exactly taking full command of the information I was giving them - while we were having lunch at one of the thousands of temporary outdoor cafes that are pitched up along Bangkok's streets before being packed away and stuffed into Nazi-esque motorbike sidecars and driven away at night time.

“You have a lot of snow in your country Robert! I would love to see the snow,” said one of my amiable colleagues. “It never snow in Thailand,” she added, almost misty eyed. “We don't really get much snow though. It snows where I live maybe once a year, and sometimes it doesn't snow for a couple of years at a time,” I answered, also on the verge of tears owing to the mysterious, excruciatingly spicy foodstuff they decided I would like. I paused to catch my breath and slurp some Pepsi but when I looked up I noticed my comment about the amount of snow in Ireland had drawn a full compliment of puzzled stares. “It doesn't snow in Iceland?” a second workmate asked.

“I'm not from Iceland, I'm from Ireland!” I wailed helplessly. “Oh. I don't know this country,” the first replied, before exchanging a few words in Thai with the rest of the largely uninterested group and going back to her food.

Later that day my confused colleague send me an instant message on msn which read, “I know you come from island, but what its name?”

But although the Thais are very much unaware of our existence, the insidious hand of Hibernia is everywhere in evidence when you know what you're looking for. For a start, there are Irish pubs all over the place. There's one on the corner of the street where I work which has a bar stocked with Guinness, Bulmers, Powers and Baileys. Oddly, the Irish bars are among the more expensive places to eat or drink so the Thais don't go to them. Sadly, this means they’ve been robbed of the opportunity to experience even the MacDonalds version of Irishness on offer within their fake Guinness poster-clad walls.

Another anomaly is that the popularity of the Premiership means most can name a good 10 Irish football figures, they've also all heard U2 songs, they can all sing along to a host of Westlife tunes and the girls all fancy Colin Farrell. Strangely, the most popular song to arrive in Thailand in the past 10 years is that Zombie tune by the Cranberries, the words to which you will hear being blasted out of at least one car, shop, nightclub or bar practically every time you set foot outside, to this day. Ireland was the first country to bring in the smoking ban (smartarses at this juncture, might point out that the smoking ban was brought in in California first, but California aint a country) and last weekend Thailand followed suit.

But despite all these little bites of knowledge somehow and for some reason, the connection is never made and we remain unknown. There are of course exceptions and I came across one while on holiday to Koh Phi Phi a couple of months back. I was at a small beach bar at about four in the morning when one of the Thai bar staff came up to me and told me I was Irish. He then stuck out his hand and asked, “Conas ata tu?” As it turned out he knew a whole range of basic Irish phrases and decided that as I was an Irishman, I would be interested in what he had behind the bar. So, fueled by drink and reckless nosiness, I stumbled on up to find out what he was on about.

I regretted letting my curiosity get the better of me when he conspiratorially produced what looked like a 9mm automatic handgun. Happily, it turned out to be just a replica and after taking some amusing photos involving him covering his face with a scarf and putting the gun to my head, it was safely tucked away again. But this guy was very much the exception – Thais don't know who we are, where we came from and largely, don't really give a stuff.

The whole situation kind of got my goat for a while. I always assumed tales of our nation's wondrous deeds had been avidly followed by the peoples of the four corners of the planet but sadly, that doesn't seem to have been the case. Recently though, I have started to come to terms with it.

I was helped along last weekend when walking through one of the city's poorer areas on my way home from a Muay Thai class. Two drunken Thai teenagers were standing outside a bar, smoking with the hurried discomfort the great Irish smoking ban has hoisted upon its victims while the oft-played song about the Troubles in the North belted from their chosen establishment. F**king Farang! Go home!” one of the hapless duo mumbled in my direction. “Sorry pal, I thought I already was,” I answered with a grin.

 

 

 

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korski
December 17, 2008, 07:36

Don't feel bad. Most Thai probably think California--a nation compared to little old Ireland--is a city near London. Or that England is a country in Africa. You might think I'm joking, but you'd be surprised at how incredibly ignorant most of the world is when it comes to rather basic geography, the Dutch and a few other traveling Kiwis and Brits major exceptions to the rule. In fact, I'd venture that a whole lot of American university students would place Ireland somewhere near Greece on a map. Or more generously, somewhere south of Georgia.
Union Hill
December 17, 2008, 10:48

I have never met an American who had even heard of my homeland, let alone know where it is. The Thais don't even have a word for the place. When they repeat it to me it sounds a bit like "weyoh?". Were it not for Tom Jones, Ryan Giggs and Princess Diana my country would be globally anonymous.

Fanta
December 17, 2008, 11:01

When seeking support for his war against the Nicaraguan government in the early 1980's, Ronald Reagan made the plea that his actions were to prevent tanks taking to the streets in Central America. I wondered why anyone in the US should care. I realized that many of them cared because they thought he was referring to Kansas.
steve rosse
December 17, 2008, 12:29

I feel your pain, brother. As an Iowa native, I've constantly been made aware that most of my own countrymen don't know the difference between Iowa, Ohio, and Idaho. I spent the Reagan administration in New York City, and when I once told an NYU professor I was from Iowa he said, "Oh, my wife is from Cincinnati, is that near you?"
Paul Garrigan
December 17, 2008, 13:16

Hi Rob, I too regularly need to disappoint people by telling them that I am not from Iceland. Even when I do convince them they still can't seem to get the image of Iceland out of their heads. I brought my wife and son to visit Ireland this time last years and my wife felt devastated that we saw no snow during our 1 month stay.

I now prepare myself for this failure to understand the location of Ireland. Every time I have a new group of students I arrive in class with a map and point out the location of Ireland and Iceland. Mind you, looking at the size of Ireland on the atlas it is no surprise that nobody outside of Ireland knows where it is.
Marc Holt
December 17, 2008, 21:04

Sure and begorrah laddie, tis good tae know there is another real Irishman out there. And you have come to terms with being from some unknown, unnamed ire...sorry...island. Wear green lad! Give them a run for their money with their yellow shirts!!!
korski
December 17, 2008, 23:06

One of the best questions I ever heard was from a Brazilian hooker in Fortaleza. She asked me: Is Europe in Africa?

Dana
December 17, 2008, 23:17

Geography ignorance shocks me. My favorite is the number of people who think Africa is a country thereby insulting the proud people of many many nations.

sawadee2000
December 18, 2008, 12:48

The state of American education is so piss-poor that many so called "educated" Americans cannot locate the USA on a world map!

Many of my Thai students are clueless as to the capital cities of their neighbors" Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar and Malaysia.

I personally am fascinated by anything geographic. I just downloaded all of Micahel Palin's travel series via bittorrent: Around The World in 80 Days, Pole to Pole, etc. Great stuff!
Fanta
December 18, 2008, 13:44

Paris used to be in Greece but ended up in Helen.
sisterray
December 18, 2008, 13:51

If I had a Satang for every time I've heard this one...

Thai: Where you com fom?
SR: England.
Thai: Arrrgghh. David Beckham
Dana
December 19, 2008, 01:12

Geographic ignorance is so common that you can make fun of almost everyone in the world without appearing to take sides or make targets of people. But of couse ignorance is only the tip of the iceberg. The real problem is curiousity.
sawadee2000
December 19, 2008, 10:41

Dana you hit it right on the head!!!! It's all about curiosity. How sad that folks all over the world are content to let life slide by without wanting to know "what's over the next hill", or asking the simple question why. For those who have a healthy curiosity, there simply aren't enough hours in the day to find out all the answers. Curiosity sure keeps me from getting bored. In June when I was getting heart surgery in Chiang Mai, I kept up a running conversation with my surgeon about everything that was happening. Of course this was partially to keep myself calm as this guy was snaking a catheter into my beating heart. Oh well, I did come away having learned a thing or two! If for some unlikely reason I were to come into a fortune, I would be happily on my way to every corner of the planet.
korski
December 19, 2008, 11:49

It's all about curiosity. Sawadee2000

Lack of curiosity--perhaps the single most important failing of university students, those I teach.
BKKSW
December 19, 2008, 14:05

"How sad that folks all over the world are content to let life slide by without wanting to know "what's over the next hill", or asking the simple question why."

Why sad? I think it's a mistake to judge others using yourself as a reference, at least in matters which don't cause harm.

I know many people/couples who rarely leave their zipcode and have no interest outside of their own small circles, yet are very happy and content with their lives..

Most of us here have discovered geographical adventures.. others needlepoint or perhaps even Zen. Curiosity takes many forms.

"Sad" would be if we were all curious about the same things.. it wouldn't be natural or interesting at all..
mike
December 19, 2008, 15:03

I've had many Americans confuse Thailand with Taiwan. It happens fairly often really. I expect many people have no idea of the location on the globe of many countries they have no experience with either from visiting themselves, or friends and family doing so, or hearing about these far flung places on the news. Some people have an interest in geography, but many don't as it has no real effect on them or their lives. I don't even think it is a matter of lacking curiosity. Many of these countries just do not come onto their radar screen unless something happens there to make it on the news. And unless they are interested in travel and geography and foreign cultures why would it interest them or come to their attention?
atmcharlie
December 19, 2008, 16:45

As Brit passports say United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland half the immigration officers I have met say "Ireland" and stamp away.
It's the first word they understand.
OK by me.
Rob Carry
December 19, 2008, 17:35

"Mind you, looking at the size of Ireland on the atlas it is no surprise that nobody outside of Ireland knows where it is."

I know we come from a tiny rock, and I know it's a bit Hiberno-centric of me to think this way, but I kind of had it in my head that we were one of these small countries with a high profile - like Cuba or Israel or Jamaica. I mean our population is tiny, but the diaspora is massive.

"I'd venture that a whole lot of American university students would place Ireland somewhere near Greece on a map."

I'd say you're right, but it's surprising that so many Americans don't know where we are - 36 million of them claimed Irish ancestry in a American Community Survey in 2006 and another 5 million claimed Scots-Irish! They also seem to celebrate St Patrick's Day more than we do. Then there's the whole literary thing - on that score we're a super power!

Another interesting thing is that when I was over in Cambodia I found the Khmers I met seemed to have a pretty good international knowledge. Seemed to be ahead of the Thais on that score. The fact that so many are educated by people from NGOs etc has helped on that score, but I get the feeling that their colonial past might also have something to do with it.

"begorrah laddie"

Holy **** man where do you come from, the 1850s? :)
korski
December 20, 2008, 04:39

I'd say you're right, but it's surprising that so many Americans don't know where we are - 36 million of them claimed Irish ancestry in a American Community Survey in 2006 and another 5 million claimed Scots-Irish!

Somewhat more than ten percent of the US population. But by no means evenly distributed in the US--So Calif is heavily populated with Asians and Hispanics. Too, many people of all ethnic groups quickly forget this ancestral pasts. I'm a pretty good example. My genes are Polish genes as far back as you can imagine. No dilution that I'm aware of. But I speak no Polish and have no interest whatsoever in Poland. Couldn't care less if I ever set foot in the country.
steve rosse
December 20, 2008, 11:18

"Couldn't care less if I ever set foot in the country." I will go you one step further. My grandfather got out of Lithuania by sewing his foreskin over the end of his penis. The Tsar's soldiers were making the men on the dock drop their pants before boarding the boats. His parents and nine siblings took their chances in the village and were not so lucky, he never found out what happened to them. Grandpa never wanted to go back to Lithuania and neither do I.
Dana
December 20, 2008, 23:20

" My grandfather got out of Lithuania by sewing his foreskin over the end of his penis."

I consider this the starting gun. Who can write a submission using this the fastest?
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