The Emotional Wasteland of Mongers and the Demise of the Girl Friend Experience

By : -Korski
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It’s been noted by many that the Girl Friend Experience (GFE) in Thailand is dying, and that however good it was in the past, well, the past is the past and it probably won’t come around again. All the explanations I’ve seen for this decline of the GFE revolve in some way around the idea that the bargirls have changed, become more professional, more focused on return for effort, doing what they can to score two or three tricks a night rather than a single long-term effort that may not pay as much and is more demanding emotionally if not physically. Nothing has been noted about mongers: their preferences, their state of mind, where they are coming from. The role that they might or do play in the vanishing GFE has been ignored or simply thought to be irrelevant.

I doubt anyone is going to take issue with the claim that most mongers—not the young ones who have come in increasing frequency—have gone through between one and three marriages or serious relationships. These men have invariably been broken financially and emotionally, most obviously in lacking for many years a satisfying sexual relationship, or often none at all. And less often said but implied, suffering a relationship in which warmth and outward affection and even sleeping together were long absent. Many of the men, one can bet, have spent their last years with a western wife in a separate bed, if not a separate bedroom.

On finding themselves in Southeast Asia, these men, and many men years younger, have wanted most of all sex. Pretty straight forward demands: f**king, or a blowjob, or both. Nothing fancy. But for some, to be sure, there has been the need for more. The long cuddles, the frequent embraces, the kissing, the slow build up to making love, doing something other than just straightforward f**king without frills. This, of course, is the GFE that so many have found and still find so desirable, so utterly alien among prostitutes in the West, unless you’re talking expensive call girls.

What’s significant, I have discovered in the ten years I have been going to Southeast Asia for three months or so at one stretch, is the large number of men who have little or no interest in a GFE. So this means short-time, more often than not; and more often than not there are few preliminaries. There’s no felt need for hours of lying wrapped in another person’s warmth, or touching and bumping into each other throughout the night as young and in love married couples do all the time. The aim is little more than to satisfy the raw need that has been long absent: no need to bother with elaborate foreplay. Just do the deed then pay the girl for her services and get rid of her, because you want to sleep alone, just as you have done for years, a decade, perhaps longer. That need, that part of the psyche that’s about something that might be called deeper feelings or emotions to be physically shared is long dead, because long ago the relationship went south in a hundred ugly ways and with no hope of returning to what it once was. Habit has its way. New patterns, initially unwelcome, can become as repetitive and normal and expected as eating and sleeping.

And then there is the blowjob: self-centered, detached, the girl as often as not little more than a means to an end, albeit more welcome than the familiar hand. Well, not always more welcome since so few women really know what to do with their mouth and tongue when it comes to satisfying a man. Whatever, two observations are relevant here. One is the extent to which older men find the blowjob more welcome than even younger men, if only because it requires less work and is the easiest route to getting a satisfying climax, and it’s so much easier to get a hard-on unless one is using Viagra or it’s rough equivalent. The second point is that a blowjob often defines the short-time barfine, whereas it is more an add-on or simply seen as a part of the long-time barfine; there is often less concern when it’s not there, or there initially, in a long-term session. And as all men know, once there is a climax, reinforced by a long history of physically living apart then why not part: send the girl on her way. The blowjob then is a historical reinforcer; it does nothing to push back time, undue the apartness that has so long ruled one’s life.

So what one might conclude from what I have just sketched is that there has long been a considerable need among the expats and sexpats for going short-time with the young and very attractive bargirls of Southeast Asia, and that need has been defined short-time in spite of just how much one could be reminded—if he wanted to be reminded--of his youth, of the joy and pleasure of being with someone for long continuous hours, and with someone even physically more attractive than the wife ever was. This, then—going short time, if I am right, has been a major motor or force in not only telling bargirls what most men want but in making the women focus their thoughts on something other than the GFE, or going long-time.

Has this demand for short-time, brought about in good part by historical baggage of an unwelcome kind, been more important than bargirls strategically and for personal reasons seeing the value of telling men they only want to go short-time? It’s hard to know, perhaps impossible to know. What seems most likely is that the girls on their own have not accounted for the decline of the GFE—my main point here. Were there only or largely demand for the GFE, those bargirls who would insist on going short-time would have little or no business. The marketplace would force them to readjust or suffer economically.

Over the last ten years I have talked to a great many bargirls in Thailand and the Philippines (obviously easier in the Philippines) and I’ve not been bashful about asking them questions about what their customers have wanted. Again and again I have been struck by how many have told me that men come to the room with little sense of romance or courting on their minds. They’re not interested in warming up the girl up for fifteen minutes or longer—what most women need for genuinely satisfying sex, and they’re not interested in exploring her whole body with their tongue and hands. Nor are they interested—there are exceptions, to be sure--in finding out what really satisfies the girl. They’re not paying to make her happy, so why bother? They’re paying to be satisfied and be damned the girls’ needs. I have talked to girls who have been with fifty or even a hundred different men and have mentioned techniques that men can use, things they can do to excite and satisfy women, and I have been told that these techniques and such have never been experienced. And as for wanting to spend the whole night wrapped together with the girl—it’s a rare request, or it just doesn’t happen.

But then this is not really a surprise, I suppose, when one looks at the life histories of so many men in Southeast Asia—as I’ve already suggested. Again: one who has lived years with a wife in a sexual and emotional wasteland is bound to come to see the wasteland as the normal condition: little or no sex, little or no touching or cuddling or kissing, very much a life apart where two people and perhaps some children tolerate and more or less accommodate each other. Long in place are unspoken and unwritten agreements to grin and bear, until that day that one person has had enough and then it’s all about divorce and who gets what.

Not to be underplayed is the role of bargirl gossip, word of mouth about what works and what doesn’t, how to get the most out of being on the game. At some point, as in most systems, you’re dealing with a tipping point phenomenon. No matter how much there are men about that want and ask for the GFE, at some point the game is going to work against them. If there are a sufficient number of men over a long enough period of time that only want the short-time experience, bargirls are going to pick up on what most want and they’re going to begin to work through the trade-offs of going short-time and long-time. And then the landscape is going to slowly be redefined: the GFE is going to be harder to get. One might say that the “system” has gotten smarter, more accurately it’s players have gotten more sensitive to the overall nature of the market, what pays the best dividends.

Angeles City today is, in practice, turning into a landscape of more and more short-time barfines. It’s different than Thailand, it would seem, principally in the fact that the bargirls in Angeles aren’t nearly as out front about what they want—short-time or long-time. Rather, they will commit to long-term, easily agreeing to a specific leaving time. But then they will often run within an hour or so after having sex, the excuses, the “problems”, as varied as one might imagine, even running to fantastical claims about their money being stolen in the house where they stay and just at about that time when the customer was off to the bathroom to shower or wash up after having sex with the girl. It would seem that while the Thai bargirls are increasingly out front about how long they’ll stay, and either you accept their terms or find someone else, the Filipinas of Angeles are presently more comfortable with the double lie: how long they will stay, followed later by the bogus reason why they must leave early. In this sense, the Thai hookers are being more honest. Oddly enough, they are going against the cultural grain they know so well—lie at every opportunity, if only because it gives one options that disappear with truth telling.

One can perhaps appreciate the role of a tipping point and commonly shared gossip by looking at what seems to be a different model operating in Barrio Barretto (near Subic Bay and a little over an hour from Angeles City), where there is something on the order of twenty girlie bars. Here the bargirls are more relaxed than in Angeles, and there seems to be a greater likelihood that a commitment to stay long-time is a promise that will be kept. It may be the case that in Barrio Barretto —no systematic data here—that it’s simply easier to get both the long-term deal and with it the GFE. The reasons may lie in the small scale nature of prostitution in Barrio Barretto compared to Angeles City, and in the lesser demand for girls in general. What, one might wonder, will happen when a dozen or so influential bargirls voices are heard in Barrio Barreto, voices that extol and make the case for the virtue of either saying they will only go short-time and then run as they do so often in Angeles City? For there’s no reason to believe that the men who frequent the go-go bars in Barrio Barreto have not had histories with western women that are as scorched and barren as those found among the men who frequent or live in Pattaya and Phuket and Bangkok and Angeles City; and it is this factor—the parched past of the expat and the sexpat, I am arguing, that is as responsible for the demise of the GFE as anything that the bargirls individually or collectively have decided to do.

The author can be contacted at wanderingasia3@gmail.com


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Soi \\\'Hair of the Dog\\\'
July 17, 2012, 03:23

If you are right this means that relationships between men and women in the West have become so toxic that these men (mongers) no longer look to women to meet their emotional needs. In consequence they have become incapable of appreciating shared intimacy beyond the physical contact necessary to facilitate ejaculation. If it weren’t for the primeval instinct to procreate, the next logical step would be to dispense with the girls altogether and adopt a self-managing approach.

I prefer to believe any fall in demand for the GFE can be attributed to a progressive change of attitude by the girls leading their customers to accept this is no longer part of the service on offer.
Dana
July 19, 2012, 03:32

" . . . these men (mongers) no longer look to women to meet their emotional needs."

I don't have any emotional needs. Real men do not have emotioal needs, just problems to be solved and in most cases endless energy spent on funding.
Aitmail
July 19, 2012, 06:21

I agree Soi etc...
The new generation of hookers are more hard nosed business minded operators than their older sisters.
In the long run this is a negative development in the Thai sex trade. This was a point of difference which attracted previous punters and eventually some of these punters will switch to greener pastures. A case of if it ain't broke don't fix it.
korski
July 19, 2012, 09:13

I prefer to believe any fall in demand for the GFE can be attributed to a progressive change of attitude by the girls leading their customers to accept this is no longer part of the service on offer.

The widely accepted view. But it doesn 't take account of the considerable demand for short-time by mongers, and the demand is coming from mongers. Yes, why, when the one thing that Asia has to uniquely offer is the GFE?
mark twain
July 19, 2012, 10:28

I actually can't wait for Korski's latest article on Thai girls are dumb but Philippine girls are dumber. Which of course Stick completely agrees with duh....
Lionel Bedtapper
July 19, 2012, 21:28

Or maybe it's simply that, since the advent of the internet, more and more customers have become aware of how the GFE is a massive con. That it is a way of being treated like a queen by some chump who then continues to send money even when he has returned to his lonely little home.

Japanese customers have always distinguished between the women who are there to serve them for an hour or so and the women they court and marry. Maybe farang are just starting to wise up a little. Thai people are beautiful and charming but they are ****ing boring to talk to. They sit and watch soaps all day... The men would be happier hanging with their mates during the day...

It's also true that morals have changed in the West. When I was young no man would admit to going to a prostitute. It meant he was an ugly loser. Now a man can go to a prostitute and even his pretty girlfriend might shrug and say "as long as he puts a rubber on it."

I am happy that men have stopped believing that they are paying prostitutes to be their girlfriends and have come to terms with the idea that they pay prostitutes to have sex. It is healthier for everyone.
sisterray
July 19, 2012, 23:01

Bargirls are no different than jet-ski renters. They both offer potentialy dangerous rides on beaches far away from their homes. Economic migrants looking for an easy buck to scam you into paying for damage that you didn't cause. The damage was there all along. Caused by previous riders. The GFE technique is just part of the scam patter. Old man ride a young machine has to pay. Some pay through the nose.
Bangkok B
July 21, 2012, 13:28

Er, sorry, but the demise of the GFE is down to the girls already being bedazzled by the love of their life, Khun Somchai, and not really having any energy left to bother with the GFE experience... I happily walked away from the Thai bar scene five years ago when it was obvious that 95 percent of the girls had Thai boyfriends in the background. Complete waste of space.
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:30

Real men do not have emotioal needs, just problems to be solved and in most cases endless energy spent on funding.
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This, my friend, is just plain dumb, a contrarian statement that is too clever by half.
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:32

some of these punters will switch to greener pastures.
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The only greener pasture of any size is the Philippines, esp. Angeles City.
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:41

Or maybe it's simply that, since the advent of the internet, more and more customers have become aware of how the GFE is a massive con.
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This kind of statement suggests you don't have a clue what the GFE is. It is very real, and it depends not at all on the fact that it is an illusory con, because none of us can ever get inside the mind of another. And therefore ALL that matters is that we feel we have got a GFE. You just don't get it. Surely you must understand by your statement that most marriages are a massive con?
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:44

Thai people are beautiful and charming but they are ****ing boring to talk to. They sit and watch soaps all day... The men would be happier hanging with their mates during the day... \\
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the GFE. You just don't get it.
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:49

Now a man can go to a prostitute and even his pretty girlfriend might shrug and say "as long as he puts a rubber on it."
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Where are you from? This is flat out false.
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:52

Caused by previous riders. The GFE technique is just part of the scam patter.
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As with other comments, you just don't understand what the GFE is. It DEPENDS not at all on the state of mind of the hooker, and completely on how the customer feels, and if he feels he is getting a GFE, and thousands have, then he is getting it, period.wsg18
korski
July 21, 2012, 19:55

I happily walked away from the Thai bar scene five years ago when it was obvious that 95 percent of the girls had Thai boyfriends in the background. Complete waste of space.
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See my comments to at least two others. You don't get it either. It is irrelevant that the hooker has a Thai boyfriend. All, all, all that matters is the sense that one has gotten the GFE, since we cannot get inside the minds of others.
sisterray
July 22, 2012, 08:51

Bangkok B,
I hear you. Having been a writer and commentator of the secene for the past few years the percentage of working girls who have a boyfriend back home interests me. I figured it to be about 80%, using Nana Plaza as a model. I went to the plaza recently and had a discussion with one of those older bargirls who have been around the block umpteen times. We had a long meaningful conversation in Thai and I asked her, how many of these girls have a Somchai back home. She thought about it for a long time and then replied 70%. Her figure is accurate.
Airmail
July 23, 2012, 09:53

"Surely you must understand by your statement that most marriages are a massive con?"

No mate, it's you who don't get it. You like the GFE and miss it because it's a convenient substitute for someone who can't commit. For even in a GFE it's the man who is stringing along the girl while kidding himself. That's why so many of these girls accuse farangs of being butterflies. They want to have a GFE night after night with different girls. When girls refuse that they lament it as being too commercial. A punter who wants a GFE is a con artist himself because he pretends to be someone he isn't, a boyfriend. To bring marriage into this equation is ridiculous ,especially for someone who pretends to be a researcher. It's comparing apples with oranges. But what do you expect from someone who's been totally disillusioned? Divorced men are damaged, period.
Hump
July 23, 2012, 23:19

Every answer but the honest (right) one: The reason the GFE 'appears' to be disappearing is because it is. For you. Compared to ten years ago, YOU are another ten years older, balder, fatter,less continent, less potent, less stylish, and less desirable overall (unless your net worth is rising 100% for every year you age and the running balance is displayed on your forehead via an implanted LCD) than ten years ago. OF COURSE the GFE appears less than it once was.

(not to mention your natural testosterone levels have plummeted in a death spin compared to ten years ago, which by definition makes you less of a biological man. And there go whatever pheromone's you 'might' have had working for you.)

But who cares, you certainly shouldn't. These are the reasons (along with your sparkling personalities) you've been paying for sex all along.
korski
July 24, 2012, 03:24

I asked her, how many of these girls have a Somchai back home. She thought about it for a long time and then replied 70%. Her figure is accurate.
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Absolutely no way to know without a pretty sophisticated survey, and a costly one in time and money.
korski
July 25, 2012, 06:43

u like the GFE and miss it because it's a convenient substitute for someone who can't commit. For even in a GFE it's the man who is stringing along the girl while kidding himself.

This is an amazing claim. You don't know that I've ever, even once, tried to get the GFE. But apart from this, it matters not if the man is kidding himself, it's the illusion or what he feels that matters. It matters not at all what someone like you thinks, or thinks he knows about another's state of mind.

korski
July 25, 2012, 06:47

But what do you expect from someone who's been totally disillusioned? Divorced men are damaged, period.
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Another amazing set of statements. You know nothing about my marital history. And surely you must know that there are probably just as many still married men who are damaged as there are divorced men who fit this label. You are making all kinds of inferences about things and states of mind you know nothing about.
korski
July 25, 2012, 06:51

Every answer but the honest (right) one: The reason the GFE 'appears' to be disappearing is because it is. For you.
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Wow, where you coming from? You know nothing about my personal history or if I've ever once been with a hooker in SEA. But all this aside, I simply said that "others" have said the GFE is disappearing and I was making an attempt to explain why--this and nothing more. Perhaps it is not disappearing, in which case I have addressed an issue which is not yet a real one.
korski
July 25, 2012, 06:54

These are the reasons (along with your sparkling personalities) you've been paying for sex all along.
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Just plain amazing what you seem to know about my personal life. I would suggest you get solid data before you start making blanket claims about my life or anyone else's. But then my guess is you're just another one of life's buffoons who can't distinguish between fact and raw opinion.
Dana
July 25, 2012, 21:10

"Absolutely no way to know without a pretty sophisticated survey, and a costly one in time and money."

I agree. Properly done surveys sometimes yield surprising results. Some survey results are never made public because they conflict with socially acceptable ideas. Some surveys mandated by governments are completely ignored if the results are not politically compatible with those in charge. Many surveys are mandated because those in charge imagine that the results will give them a 'scientific' reason for their behavior. The results are sometimes a surprise. Surveying loved ones with questions can be a mistake. Just go with the flow.
sisterray
July 26, 2012, 10:19

Absolutely no way to know without a pretty sophisticated survey, and a costly one in time and money.
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Yep, that about sums up my last twelve years.


Lionel Bedtapper
July 27, 2012, 06:31

It's true... I just don't get it. I have a pretty good understanding of what I thought we were talking about but I don't have any way of getting the very specific relationship that seems to exist mainly in Mr Korski's experience.
Korski
July 28, 2012, 05:36

It's true... I just don't get it. I have a pretty good understanding of what I thought we were talking about but I don't have any way of getting the very specific relationship that seems to exist mainly in Mr Korski's experience.
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Please clarify. You mean...you don't know how to get the GFE, or...?
Hump
July 28, 2012, 09:07

You know nothing about my personal history or if I've ever once been with a hooker in SEA.
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I was speaking at large to those who you appear to be answering the question for. Ockham's Razor? You think too much. Though both interesting and telling you feel I was speaking to you personally. My apologies.

Yet, this "you don't know anything about me" mindset is so grade school. Please resist.
Hump
July 28, 2012, 11:40

I would suggest you get solid data before you start making blanket claims about my life or anyone else's. But then my guess is you're just another one of life's buffoons who can't distinguish between fact and raw opinion.
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The question which jumps right off the page is why you would tell someone to "get solid data" "before making blanket claims", and then go on to attempt to insult me by name calling and blanketed suppositions based not on "solid data" but a self-admitted "guess." Of course the answer is obvious and the question rhetorical. At least for those with even a small amount of self-awareness. Yet I feel you require further explanation so I wanted to offer my services.

All I did was offer a competing theory for the perceived demise of the GFE in line with lex parsimeniae. Is your objection that you can't imagine who dares to challenge what you see as a much better reasoned and supported theory, or that you're having trouble comprehending the simplistic nature of my alternative?

After all, peer review is the cornerstone of effective self-policing among those who purport to have the only or most correct answers. If you were sitting in my classroom I would be tempted to publicly pursue the genesis of your logic. Perhaps we'd find you weren't aware of the prerequisites..

Btw - I enjoy your subject matter choices and writings if not the style of prose. I feel you let yourself down in the comment section which of course is an understandable hubris.
Lionel Bedtapper
July 28, 2012, 17:48

Just as a side note. Most surveys are far from empirical in nature because the way questions are asked and the kind of questions that are asked reflect the particular feelings of the questioner. I took this article to be largely speculative and there's nothing wrong with that at all... I thought it would be interesting if such an article might stimulate a debate about the extent of this change and different interpretations of the causes of the change... Everyone might bring their own experiences and thoughts to bear upon the issue. As none of us is, I presume, using real names I see no problem in engaging in such a debate in a lively manner without having to get into denials. Nobody here knows anything about my life either. All they would ever have to go on are what I say. Mr Korski, intentionally or otherwise, has given many readers here the impression that he has had experience of the nightlife industry in Thailand and the Philippines for a number of years and so some people have made some remarks based upon this assumption being correct. If you write you tell people about yourself. Even if there is no explicit statement such as "I miss the good old days when I used to feel I could have a fling with a bargirl instead of a two hour short time" it can't be hard to see how such an impression is given.

Anyway... To Mr Korski, No offence was intended in any remark made. I just share a different impression. And I have had many girlfriend experiences and I do think, retrospectively, that they were a con that led to an unhealthy obsession with women who only ever saw me as a mark. I am not bitter about this but experience is a great teacher. The internet is also a great teacher but I fall very much into the category of the fat old bald and unattractive man now so I have long since given up on charming prostitutes from other countries because I feel uncomfortable seeing the expression in their eyes at the idea they might have to sleep with me. I was divorced at an early age and recently remarried someone exactly as old as me who I share emotional/intellectual common ground with so she overlooks my fat old baldness. But I lived in Thailand for many years and, while I never surveyed anyone, I knew many girls and men in the scene during the eighties and have kept returning as a visitor and, until recently, as a customer.

I kidded myself about my relationships with Thai women back then. They were so sweet and charming and pretty that I thought I wanted them as girlfriends... But I always ended up bored. Always... The GFE, which was talked about even before I went to Thailand, is something which wasted a lot of time that would have been spent more happily if we had treated the scene the way the Japanese used to. On my last trip to Thailand, with my wife, a young girl told us both with no hint of bitterness that she was happy for her boyfriend to do one of the pretty bargirls and got it out of his system as long as he used a condom and didn't give her anything nasty. When I was a younger man I don't think I ever heard a sentiment like this being expressed.

So... Now you can safely say that you do know something about me and you can attack me if you wish. I enjoyed the article and was drawn to it by the title but I think the author's post article remarks are a little too defensive. Surely it was obvious that this subject was going to stimulate some discussion and different points of view.
Dana
July 31, 2012, 04:22

Recently Mr. Korski's submission titles have gotten much longer. I don't know what this means but I am going to find out. I am going to raise funds, appoint a committee, run a survey, get solid data, engage the results in peer review, have the results bound and sent to a publisher, and . . . no, what am I saying? I am not going to do any of that.

I am going to get another beer and spread rumor and speculate to no purpose and make it personal and . . . yeah, that's what I am going to do. I'm a man with a plan. Tomorrow I'll be wearing my Fa T-shirt and asking the girls if they have seen Fa. That is the only survey I am interested in.
Airmail
July 31, 2012, 05:13

" - I enjoy your subject matter choices and writings if not the style of prose. I feel you let yourself down in the comment section which of course is an understandable hubris."

I beg to differ. In the Author's case the subject matter choices and the comments go hand in hand and then follows the hubris. In fact the subject matter choices are probably written with the intention of coming back with his kind of comments. I'll take it further, his "research"pieces are in most cases argumentative with his inner voices or shall I say split personality. If he never got any responses he'd still have a dialogue within his own writings. In other words he starts from a agenda driven stance and he formulates his findings according to that. The evidence he presents are more like personal opinions than empirical evidence.
"I think the author's post article remarks are a little too defensive."

So the question arises why this should be so? Why should a "researcher" be defensive about a subject he has no personal connection with? Why should a "researcher" so repeatedly focus on subjects which are purely a hobby and not his livelihood? I mean ok, write a piece or two or even three then put paid to it. Korski writes wonderful fiction which i enjoy reading and would like more of. Mongers, hookers, places of prostitution ,etc...enough already.
Hump
August 2, 2012, 05:24

"I beg to differ. In the Author's case the subject matter choices and the comments go hand in hand and then follows the hubris."

Devilishly clever! And sad.
Korski
August 2, 2012, 06:26

So the question arises why this should be so? Why should a "researcher" be defensive about a subject he has no personal connection with? Why should a "researcher" so repeatedly focus on subjects which are purely a hobby and not his livelihood? I mean ok, write a piece or two or even three then put paid to it. Korski writes wonderful fiction which i enjoy reading and would like more of. Mongers, hookers, places of prostitution ,etc...enough already.
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It turns out I have many interests, and one that has preoccupied me for decades is prostitution. Have even written a book on it. I try not to repeat myself in asking questions about hookers. If you're not interested in the subject matter, just move on to something else. As for my livelihood, I don 't have to worry about a job that pays well and for which I do little. I in fact define much of my life, and have for years, in terms of enjoyable "hobbies." Each to his own hobby, of course. As for criticism---aimed at others or in an argumentative format in how I write what I write. Criticism is the very core of all good intellectual output. Period. Without good critical thinking all you get is drivel, or as in your case, as I've shown elsewhere, just plain sloppy thinking.
Union Hill
August 14, 2012, 17:12

I declare the GFE to be alive and well in Bangkok. Rumours of it's demise have been grossly exaggerated. Not everything written in Black & White is the gospel.
Korski
August 23, 2012, 05:39

I declare the GFE to be alive and well in Bangkok. Rumours of it's demise have been grossly exaggerated. Not everything written in Black & White is the gospel.

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Well, I happen to know that you're quite the charmer, and no doubt charmer's see and get what others do not. But the point was never that it was dead, but rather that it's harder to get than say six or eight years ago. We're dealing, as we usually are in the human arena, with a continuum.
John Daysh
August 23, 2012, 15:42

Union Hill knows. I have witnessed his power over women. He smiles; they swoon. Union Hill could get a GFE out of roadkill.
Dana
August 24, 2012, 18:56

Mr. Daysh speaks the truth. I have also seen Mr. Hill publically. He is not a human but a god. Women follow him like dogs follow a meat wagon and fight over which one of them will wash his socks and underpants that night. Mrs. Hill has the beatific glow of the Buddha blessed just to be able to walk behind her husband on city streets. I have witnessed it.
Fanta
August 28, 2012, 22:06

The year was 2009, the month August. I sat in a bar at K.L. airport waiting to board a flight to back to Bangkok. Union Hill had worked his mesmeric charms and was 65% toward to GFE in that nondescript outpost before his third drink. Bangkok does not strain these preternatural abilities. The man could do this in Kandahar whilst farting and eating a pork kebab.
Santa
September 18, 2012, 05:31

"But the point was never that it was dead, but rather that it's..."
The title of this article includes the words "the Demise of the Girl Friend Experience"
From dictionary.reference.com :
demise [noun]
1. death or decease.
I see a contradiction, or is someone changing the story?
Dana
October 10, 2012, 21:23

"The year was 2009, the month August. I sat in a bar at K.L. airport waiting to board a flight to back to Bangkok. Union Hill had worked his mesmeric charms and was 65% toward to GFE in that nondescript outpost before his third drink. Bangkok does not strain these preternatural abilities. The man could do this in Kandahar whilst farting and eating a pork kebab."
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The white whale lives. A Fanta sighting. He only up-periscopes once a while but he is out there. Beware and be afraid.
Tanai Kwai
October 17, 2012, 16:48

I respectfully reject the hypothesis/premise/pretext.
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