The List

By : Steve Rosse
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One night, in the dark, frigid Iowa winter of 1998, I took a pad and pencil and wrote down the names of all the women with whom I could remember having sex. I think I got them all written down, but you never know. I took a lot of drugs in the 1970s, and most of the Carter administration is just a blur to me now, so a few names might have escaped The List.

In an instance of kismet, there were exactly 50 names on The List, no more, no fewer. I thought for sure that was too neat and tidy to be true, but as hard as I thought I could come up with no more names. I couldn't think what to do with The List once it was finished, so I just went in the basement and put it in the bottom of a box of old newspapers and magazines in the far corner of a small unlit storage room. Then I went back up to the bedroom, laid down waaaaaaay over on "my" side of the king size bed, whispered "So there!" at my wife's back and went to sleep.

In 2002 my now ex-wife surprised me by presenting a Xeroxed copy of The List to the court as evidence in our divorce. I guess there is no corner of a storage room so dim and remote that it cannot be penetrated by a woman with a flashlight and a heart of brimstone. Even though Iowa is officially a "no fault" state when it comes to divorce, such a List, kept in chronological order with four names coming after my wife's, and most especially a list where some of the names are no more detailed than "Number 179, Happy Joy Massage, Surat Thani, 1988," apparently has de facto, if not de jure, relevance. A lot of de facto relevance, in fact, in a town where three-quarters of the family court judges are listed as elders in the Zion Lutheran church. We were fighting over custody of the kids, and she won. The judge gave her my kids and one third of my gross pay through 2014. The judge was unusually generous to my ex-wife, and my lawyer said it was because of The List.

I would have done better in the courts of Southern Thailand, where such a List would not raise an eyebrow. In those courts the fact that my wife left me to move herself and our kids into a lesbian home with a female Army sergeant would have been more germane. In Iowa bringing up my wife's newfound sexual orientation would have been seen as "homophobic," and my lawyer counseled against mentioning it. On the other hand, South Thailand evenly divides its family court officers the way its families are divided, half Buddhist and half Muslim. If we had gone through a divorce in front of one of those Muslim judges I'd be making my kids supper right now and Mem would be trading cigarettes for tattoos in a Thai jail. But I'm not bitter. I take consolation in the fact that the female Army sergeant who took my wife and kids out of my house got posted to Iraq shortly thereafter, and after two years on the front lines Sergeant Butch came back to Iowa with a deep hatred for all people with skin darker than her own, including my dark-skinned Southern Thai ex-wife. Som nom nah, as they say in Ranong.

I imagine that a lot of men have their own Lists, though I don't know how many write them down, or how many live to see them become part of the court record, available after seven years to anybody who cares to request a copy from the courts. But The List is what I thought of recently when a friend said this: "To keep a girlfriend or wife is more costly than sleeping with prostitutes."

What interested me most about his statement was its implied premise that there are only two relationships available to men and women, marriage or prostitution, and the corollary proposition that all that separates the two is price.

It seems like a lot of men in my demographic share the opinion that sex is always a commodity and never has anything to do with love, or even with affection or friendship. The denial of love is not an opinion shared by many men who write poetry, or novels, or screenplays, or even heavy metal power ballads, or by the millions of men all over the world who live with the women they love. But it certainly is the opinion, apparently, of the majority of men who choose to take their vacations in Bangkok rather than Yellowstone.

I try to avoid Bangkok, and any other concentrations of ugly architecture, cultural doldrums and environmental pollution, but I have from time to time spent my leisure hours among women who make their living simulating passion. Sometimes we had sex together, me and those women, and sometimes we had dinner and watched a movie, smoked some weed and went to sleep. Sometimes we played cards or dominos and sometimes they paid me to write letters for them. If I made a list of bar girls with whom I never slept but instead considered friends, there would be about twice as many names on it as there are on The List.

But as The List confines itself to women who've received my penis in some portion of their own anatomy, there are 37 names on The List of the "Number 179" variety, 37 relationships that spanned between ten minutes and nine months of my life, 37 women who happily or unhappily traded their bodies to me for anywhere from one-hundred baht to nine months' tuition in a hairdressing college. Some of those women take up no more space in my memory than the number they wore pinned to their dress, or some comment they made, such as, "Oh, you're name is John? My father's name was John."

Some of those women still take my breath away when I think of them. Remembering some of them makes me very, very sad.

Three other women on The List I loved, and they loved me. I can say this without bragging, and without begging for sympathy: Three women have I loved and they loved me. Three names of women with whom I shared the love the poets write about, three names that conjure up faces that still occasionally turn up in my dreams, in one case 26 years since I last saw her. Three women for whom I would gladly have given up my life. If I could spend an hour with any one of those three women today, and for that hour be for them the man I was then, I would give up anything I have, except my children. Of course I cannot, because love affairs die so that we can have the Opera. But I will always know that those three women gave me their bodies and took my body because they loved me and I loved them, and for no other reason.

So the list had 50 names on it in 2002 when Mem showed it to her lawyer, everybody who worked in her lawyer's office, my lawyer, everybody who worked in my lawyer's office and everybody who works at the court house, and damn but Iowa City is a small town; the next time I walked into my lawyer's office a secretary I'd never spoken to said, "Oh, hey Steve. You went to high school with Amy B., didn't you? Did you know she's married to Mike S. now?"

The List had 50 names on it then, and it would have 55 names on it now. Thirty-five women who slept with me for the money, three who loved me, and Mem, who apparently slept with me, and married me, and had two children with me, only to prove to her family and coworkers that she was straight. (She did not do it to destroy my life, that was just an unexpected bonus.) That leaves, let's see, 35 + 3 +1 = 39, and 55 - 39 =, um, I think that leaves 16 names. Sixteen women who over the past 35 years have shared their bodies with me for reasons other than money, love, or needing a beard (look it up).

Why then? I'm not handsome, I've always been a little overweight, and until very recently I smoked Marlboro reds compulsively and kissing me was like licking an ashtray. I am opinionated and fussy and as an only child I'm very territorial. I don't like people to touch my stuff. I've been told that I'm not at all easy to live with, and as the person who has the most experience living with me, I'd be the first to agree with that. As you would expect from somebody whose diploma was printed by the Department of Speech and Dramatic Arts, I've never had much money. So for what reason on God's green earth have these 16 women chosen to share their most intimate space with Steve Rosse?

The only reason I can think of is this: I never accepted Spanky and Alfalfa's invitation to join the He-Man-Women-Haters-Club. I like women. I like them a lot and I let them know it. I like to talk to women, I like to eat with women, I like to hang out with women. Even women I have no intention of sleeping with. Women are just a lot more complex, and thus more interesting, than men. Face it, we men are pretty simple machines. We eat, we shit, we sleep, we f***, we're happy. The only reason we build bridges or conquer the wilderness or go to the moon is to compete with each other, and the only reason we compete with each other is to impress women and get laid.

The old expression "If women didn't have c***s men would throw rocks at them" is not as true as "If women didn't have c***s men would all still be living in trees eating the lice living in their pubic hair." Ask a man a question and his thoughts will go, slowly, from A to B to C and to his answer in a nice straight line. Ask a woman the same question and her thoughts will go, fast as lightening, from A to C to the square root of Q to a funny joke her hairdresser told her to some nebulous, nameless anxiety to risqué flirtation and finally, maybe, to her answer. Ask a woman what she wants to have for dinner and in 30 seconds she'll leave you dizzy.

I think that I am fascinating to women because I let women know they're fascinating to me. I listen to them when they talk, whether it makes sense or not, whether I agree with it or not, whether it's in a language I speak or not.

I don't lie to women, about anything. This put me at a tremendous disadvantage in my divorce, but it's served me well in sex. I tell women that I'm poor as a pauper and they say, "Can I buy you dinner?" Before I ever touch a woman I make sure she knows that no matter how close we get, my two kids will always come first. Once I say that they can't keep their hands off me. There is nothing sexier to a woman, to any woman on this planet, than a man demonstrating good parenting. Take a child to the mall, wipe his nose for him, and every woman who sees it will instinctively move her knees a couple inches farther apart.

I can't go to one of my kids' band concerts, or a Boy Scout meeting, or Parents' Night at the school, without some woman I've never met engaging me in conversation and eventually handing me her phone number. Women at my daughter's dance recitals place their hands on my biceps and pull me into a corner to say, "Mandy and Mackenzie are such good friends, we should organize a play date. When are you free to come over? Do you like Hawaiian coffee?" They catch me at the auditorium door and walk out to the parking lot with me and by the time we reach my car they're digging in their purse for a pen. I should save a step and just hand them The List and ask them to add their name.

I'm losing my hair, I've got a pot belly, I've got a job that's pure drudgery and pays crap. I don't own anything in this world except for a 21-year-old Volvo station wagon and a pretty fair collection of 1970s rock on vinyl, which I can't listen to because I no longer own a turntable. I'm in debt up to my eyeballs and I have no retirement savings. I'll be 61 years old when my daughter finishes college and I can begin to save for my retirement. Even the computer on which I'm writing this essay is provided by my employer. But I get more attention from women today than I did when I was 20.

These are divorced women in their 30s and 40s, not the kittenish ingenues who shout "Hallo saxy man whe' you kum fum!" but instead women who can buy their own drinks, and mine too. They're not able to hang suspended upside down with their ankles wrapped around a chrome pole, but they've been dieting and going to the gym five times a week since they were cheering for the junior varsity. They sit behind their desk at the bank or behind their microscope in the lab and they do Kegel exercises all day long to keep nice and tight down there. They're self conscious about their appearance and oh my God there is nobody in the world kinkier than a woman with self-esteem issues. They don't want a commitment, they don't want money, hell they've all got better jobs than I do. They just want me to come over after the kids are asleep and do to them whatever their husband would never do. In return they'll do whatever I ask them to do, just as long as I get out of the house before the kids wake up in the morning.

Friends with benefits, our kids call it, and that expression is frightening as hell when it comes out of the mouth of your pre-teen daughter, but sexy as hell when it comes out of the mouth of her Girl Scout den leader.

So I'm confused by the attitude of my friends who say that all sex is commercial sex. Even if a man doesn't believe in love, there are still all kinds of relationships that involve sex without requiring a quid-pro-quo. I do believe in love, as the Cowardly Lion says "I do, I do, I do, I DO!" AND I believe in friendship with benefits, and I believe in pity sex, and comfort sex, and danger sex, and experimental sex, and all the wonderful, bizarre, hilarious ways human beings copulate and all the silly noises that go along with it.

I still believe in commercial sex; I once saw a man with no arms or legs sitting on a bar stool on Phuket's Kata Beach. He had only flippers where his arms and legs should have been, I suppose he was a "thalidomide baby," but the prettiest little teenage prostitute you ever saw was holding him gently but firmly, with love you might say, around the waist with one hand to keep him upright on his stool and with her other hand she was holding a straw to his lips so he could drink his beer. They were laughing and joking around together and nobody in the bar, except me, was paying them the least bit of attention. I suppose hookers are a godsend to men like that. Sometimes I've felt like a deformed cripple and in those instances God knows they've been a godsend to me. But if you're born with all your limbs and faculties intact, you should not have to pay for sex all the time.

Money or gifts or favors can change hands sometimes but they're certainly not necessary. Women are unbelievably generous people. However, they're also remarkably perceptive. They can spot a member of the He-Man-Woman-Haters-Club a mile off. If you hold every woman you meet responsible for something some other woman did to you years ago, or for the way your boss treated you today or the way your parents treated you fifty years ago, without a doubt you'll have to pay for sex. Hell, I'd charge you money just to talk to you.

But the man who CHOOSES to limit himself to only the sex he can pay for, because he's been hurt in love or is painfully shy or afraid of women for one reason or another, or because he believes that hookers have some technical expertise non-professional women lack, well he is cutting himself off from some of the best sex there is. He's wasting a lot of money. And he's needlessly shortening his List.

 

© Steve Rosse. All rights reserved by the author.

The author can be contacted at: shavethemonkeys@gmail.com

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Dana
November 26, 2008, 23:48

A personal opinion piece noting that the fireflys of the night should be paid attention to. Exceptions count and paying attention to exceptions in your life can give you an exceptional life. No argument. Floating a fly on the water to catch the rising trout is too easy.

But other opinions and experiences count also. Statistically the general rule always supercedes the exceptions. There is little evidence that men and women spending time together is anything but a social evolutionary aberration dreamed up by females so that someone can protect them and pay for them while they are incapacitated by pregnancy and child rearing. Good on them. They invented a system that benefits them.

Now, what benefits me? I count also.
korski
November 27, 2008, 01:47

This is a fascinating piece, and yet one that personally I find very hard, as a man and fellow American, to relate to. I have never met all of these great and complex and intellectually exciting women that Steve talks about, with one or two exceptions. And I have spent a good part of my life in some of America's better universities. Nor have I been surrounded by all of these still-in-the-trees men, about the only kind in Steve's world. Even in my twenties and thirties, and slim and above average in categories that matter to most women, and never the smoker with an ashtray mouth, I've never had access to women the way Steve claims; and it's not there today either, and I'm still slim and still above average in many ways, and I think I can be a charmer among charmers. I have no idea where these "available" women are in America--at any age. This, to me, a fictional world Steve is writing about; or, I hate to say it, a world of women no one else would go near. Too fat, too old, too much baggage. I sense from the piece that Steve did not have "love" in the twenty or so years that he was with Mem, many of them while married? But is this all a post hoc judgment by him, or was it evident in all the years while married? Finally, if Steve "feels" he was loved by this or that woman through the years, then I guess he was; but of course this can never be known, and again, I suspect Mem is/was the acid test. From other things he has written, it appears that when all was going smoothly he indeed "loved" her and felt that she loved him in return. We feel what we feel we need to feel, don't we?
steve rosse
November 27, 2008, 08:37

"But other opinions and experiences count also. Statistically the general rule always supercedes the exceptions. There is little evidence that men and women spending time together is anything but a social evolutionary aberration dreamed up by females so that someone can protect them and pay for them while they are incapacitated by pregnancy and child rearing." Thank God I did not say that.
materialsman
November 27, 2008, 09:17

Gentlemen don't tell or keep score. I like women too, but I certainly don't need a list hanging around that my wife can exploit, best to keep all the memories in your head, I also stopped taking photos of all the honeys many years ago, although I have no problem looking at other peoples pictures on various web sites.
steve rosse
November 27, 2008, 10:52

"Too fat, too old, too much baggage." Those grapes too sour for you, Wolf?

There are beautiful women everywhere, But having young kids is a definite advantage. And I'm very good at parenting, I'm a committee chair on the PTA, I was Troop Leader when my son was in Cub Scouts, I volunteer for the junior high music auxilliary. I'm very good at being Dad, and women dig that. A man taking responsibility for his kids is Spanish Fly for a woman.

steve rosse
November 28, 2008, 01:04

"I also stopped taking photos of all the honeys..."
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Now, see, I think every man keeps his List, even if it's in his head, but no gentleman asks a woman to pose for a sexy photo for a souvenir. Especially if she makes her living by selling access, including visual access, to her body.
Korski
November 28, 2008, 15:22

Steve: "In my next divorce, I'm gonna be the woman."

You've given lots of insight into your marriage in one of books, and it would be nice to hear the story about how and why it didn't work once back in the States. A "typical" Thai story, or something quite different? You've not been bashful about talking about your personal life. Here's a case where there should be a good story indeed.
steve rosse
November 28, 2008, 15:24

" it would be nice to hear the story about how and why it didn't work once back in the States."
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When I first began writing in Thailand, for Phuket Magazine, I was living with a woman named Neung, one of the three loves of my life. I wrote a dozen stories about her, all of them loving, tender, adoring even. When it came time to compile "Expat Days" I just changed "Neung" to "Mem." The pieces in the book that express exasperation with Mem, mixed with a certain fondness, were written years later for The Nation, and they had the fondness inserted at the insistance of my editor at The Nation. That was my hook, that was what set me apart from Trink and Crutchley: I wrote about a stable, loving married home in Thailand. It was fiction. We lived in hell. Maids would disappear in the middle of the night, leaving behind most of their belongings, they wanted to get out of our house so badly. But the stable, loving Thai/farang relationship was unique in the papers at the time, though not rare in books published in that period. In fact people used to confuse me and James Eckardt; we both wrote about our Southern Thai wives named Mem. James wrote honestly about his love for his Mem, I made it all up to sell newspapers, and later, to sell books. I married Mem because for some to this day still unknown reason I decided at the age of 36 that I wanted kids. And my boss at the hotel told me that if I ever wanted to move up in the organization, I needed to settle down with a "rieb roy" woman. Mem married me, well, we know why Mem married me. I thought moving to Iowa might actually save the marriage. And it did, for a while. A Visa card and a Wal-Mart made Mem happy for about a year, but then we were back to the same old grind, only without maids to form a buffer.
korski
November 28, 2008, 15:26

Fascinating revelation. I've read all of the Nation pieces that were collected, and some good pieces there are, and I would not have guessed, especially since you've been on this site, that it was all one big Lie. There is one note in one piece about all the maids that left, but no elaboration, and never a hint that living with Mem for you was hell. No idea in the world why you would then marry her, or stayed with her as long as you did. That may be the more amazing story in all this. WHAT did she give you, was she THAT good in bed? I've written about that drug called Love, but for most men it dies within about 18 months to two years. WHAT happened to you?
korski
November 28, 2008, 19:10

"Too fat, too old, too much baggage." Those grapes too sour for you, Wolf?

" A man taking responsibility for his kids is Spanish Fly for a woman."

I take this first comment as an unfair swipe at all kinds of men who have women who say after kids: I got what I want, F you if you don't like my getting fat, what I do, etc.

Your claim about the Spanish Fly aspect of having kids must be solely an Iowa City phenomenon. I have heard about this nowhere else, and know of no studies, formal or informal, that would give an ounce of credence to the idea.
Akulka
November 28, 2008, 20:11

I very much enjoyed the read! Thanks!
steve rosse
November 28, 2008, 21:40

Akulka: You're quite welcome. Thanks for your comment.
Korski: Surely there must be a woman in your life who you can ask about this.
Rob Carry
November 28, 2008, 23:15

Listening to women helps you score!

I'm betting a large proportion of the guys who read this story will scratch their chin and say 'I'm gonna give that a try!'
mike
November 29, 2008, 00:05

My problem is I am not a joiner. I am willing to help out if I can, but I just am not the type to be a scout leader or on the PTA. And, while I love women and have no problem meeting and getting along easily usually with them, I get bored easily. I just cannot fake being interested if they are not interesting, even to get laid. :-) One dimensional people turn me off as well, and many women seem to be focused on one or two things that they excel at, or that they feel is interesting, and it just bores me to tears. Plus my kids are all grown except my Thai daughter, and she is 16 now. My grandkids are all in the states, so I can't even use them to 'meet' other women by showing how good a family man I am. Besides, my wife wouldn't particularly be happy with that sort of thing. :-)

But I must agree that those guys who are able to seem interested in what the women are talking about and who focus on the women do seem to have their fair share of opportunities and more. Though to me it seems a bit like selling your soul.

'Friends with benefits'. I prefer the term one woman used that used to call me up when she was horny to come over and sex her for the night 'We're f**k buddies', she told me. That was fine with me. I wasn't looking for a serious relationship at the time.

To each their own though. Everyone has their 'thing' that works best for them (men and women). I was told more than once it was my seemingly utter indifference. It made it a challenge for some. They want you to notice them. If you don't they try to make you notice. Works for me. lol
Dana
November 29, 2008, 02:47

If am picking up a woman for commercial sex it is all a game and everybody knows it so I flatter them outrageously. I tell them all I love them, and I tell all of them they could be models, and I tell them all they are the most beautiful woman in Thailand. Works 100% of the time.

Everybody knows it is silly and everybody is smiling.
Dana
November 29, 2008, 04:07

"My problem is I am not a joiner."

I am not a joiner either. I am also not good at pretending. So when I imagine the perfect wife and mother I imagine a woman who would make a lot of this stuff happen. The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Halloween, etc; I'll be the husband-father helper. But I hope to Christ the wife and mother will be the driving force behind this stuff.

As for 'joining' clubs and churches (puke) just to meet women--never. As long as airplanes fly to Thailand my problems are solved.

Just like Mike I get bored socially easily and I find most (all?) women boring. I do not think women are equal to men and I almost never find them intellectually engaging. The beauty part about commercial sex in Thailand is that I do not have to waste precious minutes of my life listening to them talk about their sister or their mother or their kitty kat.

I think commercial sex is the greatest thing in the world.
Mai Tilak
November 29, 2008, 12:10

This is interesting, especially the comments, and very revealing. I have been married to my wife for about ten years. We have been through a lot together. At times I have been unfaithful. These days I have come to appreciate her much more and I have found that I love her a hell of a lot more than the day we married.

Will I be unfaithful again? Probably not. I have matured and come to realize that love is not that icky romantic thing writers write about, or perhaps make up. Love is knowing someone so intimately and accepting them warts and all and then appreciating everything they are.
Idle Hands
November 29, 2008, 16:02

"I've been told that I'm not at all easy to live with, and as the person who has the most experience living with me, I'd be the first to agree with that."

Nicely put. This has a lot to do with why I'm technically single more often than not.
steve rosse
November 29, 2008, 22:07

"As for 'joining' clubs and churches (puke) just to meet women..." A lot of people apparently misunderstood this essay. I do not recommend joining anything in order to meet women. I do not recommend doing anything dishonest in order to meet women, in fact, just the opposite. Look: I join everything that has to do with my kids. They're in school 8 hours every single day; they're in my house only 8 days per month. You think I don't want to meet every goddamn single teacher who says "boo" to my kids? You think I don't want to stand at the desk they occupy all day, see what they can see out the window from that seat? You think I don't want to be in the room when some zealot says my son should not be assigned "Catcher in the Rye" in English class? You think I'd pass up the opportunity to spend a week in a canoe with my son someplace out of his mother's cell phone network? I do these things because it's my job, and my privilege, as a father to do these things. It is the joy of my life, and the only important thing I've ever done with my life. It also gets me lots of attention from women, but that's just icing on the cake. So if you don't have kids, or don't care about your kids, you better start saving your pennies and searching Travelocity.com for a cheap flight to someplace where the women are so desperate that they'll suck your dick for the price of a hamburger. If you're happy with that, more power to you, Brother. It's just not enough for me.
Dana
December 1, 2008, 04:18

"So if you don't have kids, or don't care about your kids, you better start saving your pennies and searching Travelocity.com for a cheap flight to someplace where the women are so desperate that they'll suck your dick for the price of a hamburger."

Thanks for giving me permission and I can see that we are close to tipping over into one of the constant and popular myths: to wit--that married men, or men who have once been married, or men with children are somehow more sensitive and more . . . etc. than single men. Another line drawn in the sand to no purpose. I am single and I have never had children and I am the equal of any man. Have a different opinion? Good on you: you have an opinion.
BW
December 2, 2008, 03:21

Steve, well written as usual, and the down to earth, personal touch gives it that certain flavor to which all of us guys can relate.

I learned when I was in elementary school back in the 1970s, that writing ANYTHING down could eventually be dangerous. My mother used to go through my stuff, and then later comment on how much she liked whatever it was that she had read. Harmless musings of a pre-teen kid, but in that moment I learned a valuable lesson: the best way to cover one's tracks is to not leave any in the first place.

I have my List as well, and it's probably about average in numbers, I guess. Like yours, there are only about 3 or 4 that went beyond the physical. But I'll never write it down.
steve rosse
December 2, 2008, 20:28

"men with children are somehow more sensitive and more . . . etc. than single men." If you do it right, fatherhood changes you, that's all. Having somebody in your life for whom you would die, somebody whose life is more important than your own, it changes you. Whether it's a kid or a woman or another man or a dog, finding out that you are not the most important person in the world changes you, and changes you for the better. Of course a childless man can be the equal of a man who's experienced fatherhood, but he's certainly not the same.
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