UK vs PI

By : Bysshe
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I’m not far from retirement and my son is coming up to school age. I’ve really enjoyed it here in Singapore, but there’s no way I can afford to live here on a pension. So it’s decision time. Do I settle in the UK or the PI (where my wife is from)?

On the face of it, it is no contest. A developed country with the 4th largest economy in the world (before the financial crisis) should win hands down over one of the less successful economies in the Far East. But it doesn’t. There is so much wrong with the UK today that I hardly know where to begin.

Let’s start with Law and Order. Gun and knife crime is spiralling out of control (despite government assurances that violent crime is falling), yet thousands of new laws have been introduced which target the (formerly) law-abiding – such as putting your bin out on the wrong day. Our prisons are bursting with little old ladies who failed to pay their TV license or council tax, while violent criminals are let off with ‘community sentences’.

I know that crime is high in the PI, particularly in urban areas, and that the police don’t have the best of reputations, but at least I will have the right to bear arms, and if I shoot an intruder I won’t find that it’s me that’s in the wrong, as happens in the UK.

Another reason for avoiding the UK is found in the phrase ‘Political Correctness gone mad’ – it’s an old phrase, but the ‘gone mad’ part of it seems to have particular relevance at the moment, when a nurse was threatened with losing her job for offering to pray for a patient (in a country which is still officially Christian), and when British workers had to strike to get access to British jobs.

The PI suffers from official corruption, but at least it looks after its own people in terms of its immigration regime, and doesn’t bend over backwards trying to not to offend every religious or political minority. The culture is firmly Roman Catholic, and while those values might not suit everybody, they’re not a bad background for bringing up a family.

The Nanny State is another thing about the UK that drives me ballistic. In the last few months we have been told that children under 15 should not drink any alcohol – the state once again interfering in child-rearing (though its officials have recently been responsible for the most horrendous cases of neglect of children by very the social services who should protect them). Also, that it is ‘irresponsible’ for a family to have more than two children because of their ‘carbon footprint’.

The BBC is something I used to feel proud of, but it has degenerated into a mouthpiece for the left-liberal, politically-correct thought-police who have worked methodically over the years to trash any sense of pride in British history, mock Christianity and Christian values, undermine law and order, marriage and the family and dumb down education.

And it is there that my concerns really hit home, because I have to decide which country I want my son to be educated in. Unfortunately, schools in the UK are so bad that educational issues are only of secondary concern. My main concern would be as basic as safety. Teachers can no longer impose much in the way of disciplinary sanctions because they might infringe on their students’ ‘rights’. As a result, indiscipline is rife and bullying flourishes – a telling symbol of which is the stab-proof blazer marketed by school suppliers.

I will mention just one specific example widely reported in the national press. A few months ago a teacher was being held down and strangled by a pupil, but other teachers dared not intervene in case they were accused of assault. One brave teacher eventually got the boy to release his grip by bending his thumbs back.

If the pupils ever get enough peace from the disruptive elements to concentrate on their lessons, what are they taught? This year a new ‘curriculum’ has been introduced in primary schools which scraps those boring old ‘subjects’ like history and geography and replaces them with ‘areas of learning’. That’s unlikely to improve on the present situation in which pupils can emerge from the system at age 16 unable to read, write or do basic arithmetic!

By contrast, the PI has a good educational system, and many Philippinos achieve university degrees which are recognised worldwide.

I have been an expat long enough to realise that it is easy to get a distorted perspective because one keeps up with the news in ones own country, but for language and/or cultural reasons, takes less interest in the news of ones host country. Also, I am aware that the poor old, confused home country is still not without a few plus points. That said, my dilemma is genuine. The call of home is strong, but the PI, though a much poorer country with many problems, seems to offer an attractive alternative, especially as a place to bring up children.

Perhaps the deciding factor will be the cost of living. If I relocate to the UK I’ll be Mr Average in a tiny house with a postage stamp garden. In the PI I can live like a king on the same modest pension. As my wife says, the PI is a fantastic place to live if you have money – and we’re not talking about that much money by western standards.

 

© Bysshe, 2009. All rights reserved by the author.


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Star
February 8, 2009, 15:03

Some plus points about the UK - nice cool climate (south west anyway, winter months too cold but survivable), non-violent police if you lead a normal life, almost complete security when buying a house (basically none in Thailand or PI because it is all down to the whims of the wife and the tolerance of the locals) and although 1000s of stupid laws need to be repealed there is still a rule of law in the UK. Living in a small country town solves most of the violence which anyway is an awful lot less than Thai-on-Thai or Filipino-on-Filipino violence which often leaks over on to farang.
Actually, I believe Thailand or PI are places for young people to retire to (ie lounge around on not a lot of money) and those over fifty should avoid both places especially if they are married to locals. There is absolutely no security, either fiscal or personal, not to be mistaken with a certain surface niceness.
Places like Cyprus, Spain and Portugal might be a better bet if you have your money out of Sterling but as all my dosh is in the UK and I have no interest in changing any if it at the current exchange rates it's a nice country retreat for me (luckily I sold my house a year ago so have some great deals before me). After an eight year exile in Thailand, and now knowing too much, the UK now looks very good to me... and I can't get over how nice most people there seem!!!
Bysshe
February 9, 2009, 05:40

Thanks, Star, you make some good points in favour of the UK – maybe I should stop reading the Mail and the Guardian online, because both papers get me wound up in completely different ways – the Mail tends to dramatise issues of crime and immigration and the Guardian tends be a cheerleader (along with the BBC) of Political Correctness. The Independent may give me a more balanced view – I also like the worldwide perspective offered by the International Herald Tribune. That said, my opinion is not just based on the media. I have been an expat since 1990, and sadly, the UK seems to have gone downhill every year since then. I visit regularly (2 to 3 times per year) and noticed that, bit by bit, my friends and family were turning their houses into fortresses: extra locks, security lights, burglar alarms – and in the last few years, even surveillance cameras. However, I think you are probably right about Thailand and the PI. I have heard that it is hard to be certain that you have absolute title to any land you buy as there are often several sets of deeds held by various relatives. At least with the financial crisis houses in the UK are becoming more affordable – and the conveyancing system (apart from the recent bureaucratic nonsense about the Home Information Pack) is sound. I’ve made it clear to my wife that she would probably have to work (if only part time) to supplement my pension, and that having a maid would be out of the question, but she’s still keen to settle there – so I’m keeping an open mind on the matter.
Jago Turner
February 9, 2009, 20:00

The UK is fine. There are a lot of problems here and it's easy to get wound up if you read the papers or watch TV but this is mostly sensationalism. The problem with the UK is cosmetic. There is less smiling than in South East Asia and there is a decrease in the number of women who look nice. You get kids who hang around looking surly and aggressive (which is pretty much the same everywhere) but the occasions of actual violent crime aren't anywhere near as high as people seem to think they are and probably not as high as they used to be in the glory days of football hooliganism.

There is a lot of media-related Political Correctness which has blood pressures rising throughout the kingdom but in daily life people use pretty much the same language they ever did and are able to express themselves as freely as they like without fear of arrest or dismissal (as long as they don't work in government or broadcasting). The praying nurse story has been much debated because any kind of religion has become such a sore point for militant atheists and those who claim to represent other religious viewpoints but I suspect that the nurse will be reinstated as this issue has raised a storm of public disapproval for the health service in question.

If I was on the verge of retirement I don't doubt my heart would have me wanting to retire to Thailand but my brain would drag me back to the UK. If there are decent funds then maybe Thailand remains a pretty good option. As I sit here in the deep freeze of England I can't help thinking that anywhere with a little more heat would be a much better place to settle. But then there's that moment when you realise that people don't really get your jokes and you get tired of people constantly asking you if you can eat spicy foods and if you think Thai girls are pretty and the sheer inanity of it all can have you yearning for the chilly intelligence of home.
Star
February 9, 2009, 22:29

I thought I was going to get slammed for my comments rather than agreed with. Being over fifty and British the concepts of fair play and doing the decent thing are somewhat ingrained in my psyche despite, conversely, being a bit of a rogue (in a mild and relatively harmless gentlemanly manner) and I do find the total lack of fair play and common decency in dealing with Thais and Filipinas begins to grate after the initial euphoria of getting my hands on their nubile bodies.
Dana
February 10, 2009, 06:34

My heart goes out to parents who are trying to be good parents. I imagine that there are social government oasis places like Denmark and Switzerland and Norway and Sweden and Iceland, etc: but I do not speak any of those languages so I can not even dream those dreams. The Philippines, Thailand, England, America; it just seems hopeless in these places unless you have an awful lot of money. What I know the most about is the United States and Rome is burning. Like I said, I often think of parents and the challenges they face and they have all of my sympathy.
steve rosse
February 10, 2009, 12:09

"I do find the total lack of fair play and common decency in dealing with Thais and Filipinas begins to grate after the initial euphoria of getting my hands on their nubile bodies." This was written with a sense of irony, right? I mean, you don't place your hands on their bodies with a sense of fair play and common decency, right? You're in a brothel, taking advantage of somebody's poverty and lack of education in order to satisfy the most base and animal urges, but you expect them to treat you with chivalry? Who expects good manners in a whore house?
sawadee2000
February 10, 2009, 14:00

I can honestly say that I have been treated better in the UK than any other place I have ever visited. For over 10 years I had a small British import shop in Massachusetts, with everything from Barbour jackets and green Wellie boots to Clotted Cream and Fry's Turkish Delight.I used to travel throughout England Scotland and Wales at least twice a year searching for new things for the shop. Where ever I went I was treated not only with civility but with genuine kindness. I remember traveling on roads so narrow that if two cars were traveling in opposite directions, one car need to pull over to let the other one by. Invariably the other driver would race to pull over....and wave as I went by. Even though my business was a tiny operation, I was treated by some pretty prestigious firms as if I were there largest and most valued customer. To this day I have many dear friends, especially down in Dorset. I miss them all. and the beer, cider and puddings!
Star
February 11, 2009, 09:02

Sorry Steve, did I miss out a comma? The comment was written in the context of a farang married to an Oriental deciding whether he should retire to the West or East, and within that context my comments would surely suggest that my complaints against Asian women are directed to those, like myself and the author, who are in long term relationships rather than those obsessed with visiting brothels... I think you will find that most readers, anyway, do not visit brothels (go-go bars another matter, of course). Where to retire to remains an interesting question that you might want to comment on?
steve rosse
February 11, 2009, 21:31

Star: Any place where prostitutes work is a brothel, including go-go bars. But whether the "nubile bodies" you're panting after are dancing on the bar or wearing your ring, if it's the getting of the bodies you're after you can't complain if they don't treat you "fair."

Given a choice, I'd retire to Belize because it's cheap, stable, and marijuana is decriminalized.

And seriously, Dude. "Oriental?" When did you write this comment, 1642?
Marc Holt
February 12, 2009, 03:29

Star, as I have recently returned to Australia after living in Thailand for 30 years, I agree with you. I have been very pleasantly surprised at how nice...no...Wonderful it is to be back. My family are settling in well, and like you I have found the people to be overwhelmingly friendly and helpful.

I will have to write a story about our experiences. But for anyone in Bysshe's situation I would look long and hard at the pro's and con's of each country before finally deciding. Mind you, I am not sure I would choose the UK to retire to. All that snow and cold weather gives me the shivers.
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