What’s in a Name?

By : Santa
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I have always had a modest curiosity about place-names. This started off with me as a youth who wondered how British place-names came to be, and this was a reasonable thing as a large proportion of place-names in Australia are taken from places in the UK, Cardiff springing to mind in an instant as it is the next suburb from the one where I live.

I have a map of Thailand which is bilingual to a large degree; most of the place-names are in both Thai and English, but most of the smaller places have their names only in Thai. Needless to say, the map would be useless to anyone who was looking for a small village and could not read Thai.

To get back on track – no pun intended – I have looked at some of these places on the map and pondered on their names. As a starting point, I looked at the name of the Amphur town which encompasses my wife’s village, Nong Song Hong, and looked the three words up in the Thai to English dictionary. Song and Hong were exactly what I expected; the number “two” and “room” respectively.

I got a small surprise when I looked at the Nong. I thought that it would mean “young” or similar, but I was wrong. The dictionary definition said:

หนอง:n. swamp, marsh; pus

So one could say that the literal translation means “Two swampy rooms”. That seems odd to me, so I consulted my Thai step-daughter.

She explained that there were two rivers which paralleled one another in the area, and where they diverged, they each formed a swampy area about the shape of a large room. Thus the confusing name. I have looked at satellite imagery of the place, and it shows that there are now two separate water reservoirs there, and they are close to one another, giving credence to the young lady’s explanation.

I looked a little further afield, and looked at the name of the village where my ex-girlfriend comes from, “Baan Laew”, and when I saw the dictionary definition, I had myself a little chuckle. It said:

เล้า:n. pen, fold, coop. colloq. brothel

I looked in a different direction and found a town called Waeng Noi, not far from a larger town called Phon, which is on the main highway between Korat and Khon Kaen. I didn’t look for the “Noi”, I am certain that that means “little”, but a look at the “Waeng tells me that it means either “longitude” or “sword”. One has to wonder how a town gets called Little Sword... And there is another town not far from there called Waeng Yai. I looked at this place on the map, and couldn’t see how the hell it was “yai”, but a quick reference to the step-daughter told me that it used a different “y” letter that looks like one of the Thai “t” letters when truncated.

So now I am starting to learn how to spell in Thai. The place-name literally translates as “Big Sword”. Again, one can only speculate and wonder about how the place acquired that name.

The name “Phon” is a good example of both unwritten vowels and the change of a letter’s value. If it was transliterated into English, it would be “PL”. However, by convention, when 2 consonants that form a single word do not have a vowel between them, an “O” sound is pronounced between them. Further to confuse the issue, an “L” sound may not end a word; when an “L” ends a word, it is pronounced as an “N’. Thus, the place is called “Pon”. For anyone who is wondering, the name means “power, force, strength”.

Another place-name which is a good example of unwritten vowels and change of consonant value is the word "Nakorn". From the Thai to English dictionary:

นคร: city, town, metropolis

You can note that there are only three characters in Thai, but it turns into six characters in English. The three Thai characters have the face value of NKR, The unwritten vowel rule says that where there is an orphan consonant in front of a normal three-letter word, an "a" sound is inserted between. The KR portion of the word becomes three letters because it gets an "o" sound inserted in its middle.

I might be doing a bad job of explaining this, it is not an easy concept to absorb, but once you "get it" it makes perfectly logical sense. And it applies throughout the Thai language. If you see three consonants forming an individual word, you mentally insert an A and an O in the relevant places.

Another word that will bring this rule into perspective is "satang", Transliterated from Thai, it is "stang" with another unpronounced consonant on the end. There is already an A between the second and third consonants, so there is no need to insert anything there, but an A needs to go between the first and second consonants.

And for this very reason, where you would say "smoke", the Thai will say "samoke". "Drink" will become "darink", and so forth.

Looking in a different direction on the map, I find a place called Puai Noi, and I look in the dictionary again. This one has me really wondering. The “Puai” is defined as “rotten, decomposed, tender, stewed”, and the “Noi” is “little”. Just to be certain, I ran this past my stepdaughter, and she said that the town name is not the word that I found in the dictionary, there is a small stroke above one of the letters – a stroke which I missed – in the dictionary which changes the meaning of the word. She asserts that the word means “without clothes”. So I now imagine that this place-name came into being because the children were seen to be without clothes. That’s a reasonable thing to happen in the tropical Thai countryside where buying children’s clothes may be a strain on the poor farmer’s budget.

At least we all know that Bangkok's other name, Groong Tep, means the "City of Angels".

 

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Dana
December 9, 2007, 22:57

Notating the various and mysterious permutations and combinations of letters in the Thai language with the intent of supporting the linguistic/cultural/colonialist argument that these are stupid rubes who haven't even got their own language right is amusing. I am not saying that was the intent of the author's essay. Just rambling and the subject of languages and linquistics always sets me off.

However, after the amusement is over, it looks like picking on the Thais. American English which we can think of as the final result of western languages evolution is rife with incomprehensible rules, and exceptions, and imponderables, and nonsensicals for the immigrant. In my profession I talk to over fifty countries (immigrants from) a year. Only two constants: if they have had to learn any other language other than their native language, they all say learning English is easy; and the women always learn much faster than the men (some men are incapable of learning).

I believe learning Thai as an adult westerner is impossible except under one circumstance. The linguistically gifted. For the rest of us, only from the womb osmotic learning would allow us the time for the incoming data to finally get sorted out. 'Learn to speak Thai in 6 months' 'Learn to speak and write and read Thai in one year' 'Conversational Thai in 2 months' Etc. All lies. My Essan girlfriend had a hard time talking to the Lannen Thais in Chiang Mai. Thais from the Khymer region can not talk to the Malay border Thais. Central government Thai Thais struggle with signs and notations and reading elsewhere in the country.

So what is Thai? Is it a language? Shouldn't a language be intelligable and rule dependent and beyond debate for the locals? In the 21st century are we going to allow people to tell us they have a fully formed language (reading, writing, speaking) when they can not even agree on how to spell or say the name of the King? Come on. The King?

If Thai is a language and I will accept this rather than argue: then tell me this; is it a language that is evolving or is it a language that is devolving?
chuckwoww
December 9, 2007, 23:21

I like the way English has evolved. It's odd how formal languages like Greek and Latin got replaced by today's lingua franca, English, which as Dana says is is rife with incomprehensible rules, and exceptions, and imponderables, and nonsensicals.

As for Thai it depends how well you want to speak it. Rudimentary Thai isn't hard for Westerners to learn.
Bill
December 11, 2007, 02:20

Hi Santa, read all your contributions to TS and enjoyed them all, this particular one being no exception. I have to say learning Thai for me is mind-numbingly hard, but try I do.

I wonder, using your English literacy skills can you have a go at explaining to me why Thais always seem to have a major problem when pronouncing their ‘R’s and ‘L’s. I’ve gone through this with the missus on many occasions but she just cannot seem to get through to me why this is, other than when a syllable begins with Raw rua or law ling Thais have difficulty pronouncing the word. What, are they all shot tongued or something? Can’t be, as sometimes they get the letters out but in the wrong order (Really becoming Leary, Lorry becoming Rorry and son on). There has to be a perfectly logical explanation for this.

Over to you Santa.
Santa
December 11, 2007, 20:10

I really can't explain this particular pecadillo. I used to think that it might be the sign of the differences between a country bumpkin and an educated Thai, but my observations of various Thais discounts that theory. A friend of mine who lives nearby has a real rube-type wife, and her call-name is Rhung [the "u" pronounced as in "foot"], which means "rainbow", and she pronounces it with the "L" sound, not the "R". OTOH, my wife, who comes from an educated family, also pronounces her Rs and Ls in a very haphazard way when she is talking Thai. However, My wife has absolutely no problems confusing Ls and Rs when she talks English. I can write English words in Thai script, and she gets them right every time.

My current theory is that because both law ling and raw rheua change their value at the end of a word to an "N" sound, they are slightly interchangeable when not at the end of a word. My wife knows that there are no value-changes in English, so that might explain her getting it right in English.

You should try to imagine how the word "dollar" gets pronounced by the Thais who are new off the plane; something like the name of a guy from the US of A who found a niche in Australian television. His name was Don Lane.

In the article, I told you about the place called Phon, spelled paw-pun law ling. How about the word "porn"? It's spelled paw-pun raw rheua. It is often used in peoples names, and it means "blessing".

The short answer to your question is that I really don't know, but I have my theories on the matter. When I have an answer that satisfies me, I'll mention it in an article here.
Union Hill
December 12, 2007, 11:09

Back in the UK, I had a friend who lived in a place called Middle Wallop. There is also an Upper Wallop and a Lower Wallop nearby. That's "Midden Warup", in Thai.
Dana
December 12, 2007, 11:27

In Church of Dana Part 143 the Christian:

'Glory Glory Glory
Holy Holy Holy'

becomes Essanized:

'Groly Groly Groly
Hory Hory Hory'
Bill
December 13, 2007, 04:30

‘My current theory is that because both law ling and raw rheua change their value at the end of a word to an "N" sound, they are slightly interchangeable when not at the end of a word. My wife knows that there are no value-changes in English, so that might explain her getting it right in English.’

Okay Santa thanks for that, however that doesn’t quite account for all the other Thai consonants that change their value at the end of the word, ด ก ย บ and a few others.

I can live with the fact Thais replace the ‘R’ with an ‘L’ through laziness or just choosing to adopt the slang form of the word, for example, ‘Aloy’, ‘Alia’ and probably the most famous ‘Falang’. And then I can believe they might just opt for dropping the ‘R’ altogether, like in ‘Krab' becoming 'Kab’. I can even believe they transpose the slang over into English words, when they see an ‘R’ pronounce an ‘L’. But still it doesn’t explain why some/most Thais often get them the wrong way round.

Maybe it has something to do with allophones and phonemes, the basic way in which distinctive units of speech words and sentences are represented.

Still, I’ll stick with your theory Santa for now, easier to explain. That is of course, unless anyone else knows better.

Answers on a postcard.
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